We weren’t at the time the contract was signed. And apparently you are too good to join. Move along.

Even the worst of the regionals paid for housing during training. Even back then. It might have been two to a room (at least for Skywest) but at least they paid.

But OK, that was then and this is now. What is your CURRENT ask to management for the new hires? Are you going to insist that the company pays for housing during training? Or that they get bonuses?
Currently Air Whiskey is giving their newbies a $57K SIGNING BONUS

https://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/.../air_wisconsin

Which ALL BY ITSELF is more than your first year pay. So are you as a pilot group going to hold out for your newbies to get training housing and a decent bonus, rather than just the pi$$-poor first year pay?

Because, yeah, if you aren’t going to at least See that your new hires get a decent start, you’ll find a lot of people will move along because they’ll believe they are too good to join you. They’ll be right too.

And don’t complain if your management treats you like dirt if you don’t treat your own junior pilots any better.

Back then (which wasn't even that long ago) my regional didn't even pay during training, much less provide housing.

Delta never paid for housing.

What’s there first year pay again? :rolleyes:

Much improved in the last 10 years or so. Inflation adjusted it was about the rates being complained about here.

Changes came as a result of those of us who endured things like no housing.....along with no jumpseat. Ever. And no pass travel for first 6 months.

If one hadnt saved a chunk or had a spouse with a good job surviving on year 1 pay was not doable. Me and a whole bunch of othes went out and got 2nd jobs.

It sucked. But if the pilots on property dont do anything it wont improve.

Sun Country has been and likely always will be a “just happy to be here” crowd.

I wouldn’t expect any improvements to conditions if that continues.

You ain't Delta.

Absolutely correct. The pilot group as a whole needs to stop considering this some sort of rite of passage or fraternity initiation. Otherwise they should expect no more solidarity from their junior people than they themselves have shown them.

Why would they care about - for instance - pensions? They are thirty plus years from retirement. And Sunny may not even last that long. Maybe they should vote for only packages with high FO wages so they can get the most they can while they are building a resume to get them to a legacy? And screw the old f@rts, because the old f@rts certainly didn’t take care of them.

Is that the sort of camaraderie and unity you want in a pilot group? Because that’s the kind you are asking for with this first year pay.

Lol. You sure do have a lot of beef with the first year pay. Did you not know what it was when you accepted the job? Sounds like first yr pay went up 50% on the last contract. I'm assuming that's larger than any other years increase. Every airlines first yr pay is significantly less than second and it doesn't look like Sunny's is out of line considering all their other rates. I don't work for sunny anymore, but to say all the senior dudes/dudettes are throwing the new people under the bus is a bit of a stretch. I don't think many people at sunny in general expect/demand what other 737 operaters do. Sunny is what it is....a place to make an ok living with an ok quality of life.