New Hire Pay
#11
How much effort have they put in WITHIN negotiations? Obviously not much if you are well below regional airline payscales for new hires, AND YOU ARE.
Alternatively, if you really DID make the effort, and current rates and training quarters and pay actually WAS the best you could do, what self respecting newbie would WANT to join your group?
Alternatively, if you really DID make the effort, and current rates and training quarters and pay actually WAS the best you could do, what self respecting newbie would WANT to join your group?
#12
But OK, that was then and this is now. What is your CURRENT ask to management for the new hires? Are you going to insist that the company pays for housing during training? Or that they get bonuses?
Currently Air Whiskey is giving their newbies a $57K SIGNING BONUS
https://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/.../air_wisconsin
Which ALL BY ITSELF is more than your first year pay. So are you as a pilot group going to hold out for your newbies to get training housing and a decent bonus, rather than just the pi$$-poor first year pay?
Because, yeah, if you aren’t going to at least See that your new hires get a decent start, you’ll find a lot of people will move along because they’ll believe they are too good to join you. They’ll be right too.
And don’t complain if your management treats you like dirt if you don’t treat your own junior pilots any better.
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#16
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Much improved in the last 10 years or so. Inflation adjusted it was about the rates being complained about here.
Changes came as a result of those of us who endured things like no housing.....along with no jumpseat. Ever. And no pass travel for first 6 months.
If one hadnt saved a chunk or had a spouse with a good job surviving on year 1 pay was not doable. Me and a whole bunch of othes went out and got 2nd jobs.
It sucked. But if the pilots on property dont do anything it wont improve.
Changes came as a result of those of us who endured things like no housing.....along with no jumpseat. Ever. And no pass travel for first 6 months.
If one hadnt saved a chunk or had a spouse with a good job surviving on year 1 pay was not doable. Me and a whole bunch of othes went out and got 2nd jobs.
It sucked. But if the pilots on property dont do anything it wont improve.
#19
Much improved in the last 10 years or so. Inflation adjusted it was about the rates being complained about here.
Changes came as a result of those of us who endured things like no housing.....along with no jumpseat. Ever. And no pass travel for first 6 months.
If one hadnt saved a chunk or had a spouse with a good job surviving on year 1 pay was not doable. Me and a whole bunch of othes went out and got 2nd jobs.
It sucked. But if the pilots on property dont do anything it wont improve.
Changes came as a result of those of us who endured things like no housing.....along with no jumpseat. Ever. And no pass travel for first 6 months.
If one hadnt saved a chunk or had a spouse with a good job surviving on year 1 pay was not doable. Me and a whole bunch of othes went out and got 2nd jobs.
It sucked. But if the pilots on property dont do anything it wont improve.
Why would they care about - for instance - pensions? They are thirty plus years from retirement. And Sunny may not even last that long. Maybe they should vote for only packages with high FO wages so they can get the most they can while they are building a resume to get them to a legacy? And screw the old f@rts, because the old f@rts certainly didn’t take care of them.
Is that the sort of camaraderie and unity you want in a pilot group? Because that’s the kind you are asking for with this first year pay.
#20
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Absolutely correct. The pilot group as a whole needs to stop considering this some sort of rite of passage or fraternity initiation. Otherwise they should expect no more solidarity from their junior people than they themselves have shown them.
Why would they care about - for instance - pensions? They are thirty plus years from retirement. And Sunny may not even last that long. Maybe they should vote for only packages with high FO wages so they can get the most they can while they are building a resume to get them to a legacy? And screw the old f@rts, because the old f@rts certainly didn’t take care of them.
Is that the sort of camaraderie and unity you want in a pilot group? Because that’s the kind you are asking for with this first year pay.
Why would they care about - for instance - pensions? They are thirty plus years from retirement. And Sunny may not even last that long. Maybe they should vote for only packages with high FO wages so they can get the most they can while they are building a resume to get them to a legacy? And screw the old f@rts, because the old f@rts certainly didn’t take care of them.
Is that the sort of camaraderie and unity you want in a pilot group? Because that’s the kind you are asking for with this first year pay.
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