New Hire Pay
#21
Au contraire. It’s why I, like many others, am not even APPLYING for the job. I’m glad you found it an “OK place to make a living with an OK quality of life,” but the marketplace has changed. A guy with 1500 hrs TT can make $50 an hour as a newbie at regionals today, with a signing bonus, and yes, have housing during training and then have better working rules afterwards. That’s TODAYS reality. And Sunny either needs to adjust to it, or you are going to wind up with right seats populated by guys/gals with a grand total of 1500 hrs, mostly CFI time in Cessna 152s with 25 hours in light twins. Good luck with that.
Last edited by Excargodog; 06-20-2019 at 07:42 AM.
#22
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Au contraire. It’s why I, like many others, am not even APPLYING for the job. I’m glad you found it an “OK place to make a living with an OK quality of life,” but the marketplace has changed. A guy with 1500 hrs TT can make $50 an hour as a newbie at regionals today, with a signing bonus, and yes, have housing during training and then have better working rules afterwards. That’s TODAYS reality. And Sunny either needs to adjust to it, or you are going to wind up with right seats populated by guys/gals with a grand total of 1500 hrs, mostly CFI time in Cessna 152s with 25 hours in light twins. Good luck with that.
I’m not sure what all of the frustration is about. If there are better offers, go take them. Regionals are paying hiring bonuses but after the first year it sucks. At SY, the first year pay blows but after that it’s ok. Sure it’s way below industry standard for a 737 operator but if you really want to fly the kind of trips they fly and have MSP for a domicile then maybe it could work for you. Otherwise go somewhere else! The market is still hot.
For the vast majority of pilots SY is a no go. Perhaps their management will have a crisis trying to recruit and they’ll eventually have to raise the bar. Until then I wouldn’t expect existing SY pilots to make first year pay a priority because attracting applicants only makes it harder for them to justify better work rules and compensation during contract negotiations.
My guess is that if things continue as is, SY will have flocks of FO’s with relatively fresh 737 type ratings leaving for more stable, higher paying airlines. Attrition has slowed temporarily there but IMO unless something changes for the better in a significant way, attrition will go right back up.
#23
Au contraire. It’s why I, like many others, am not even APPLYING for the job. I’m glad you found it an “OK place to make a living with an OK quality of life,” but the marketplace has changed. A guy with 1500 hrs TT can make $50 an hour as a newbie at regionals today, with a signing bonus, and yes, have housing during training and then have better working rules afterwards. That’s TODAYS reality. And Sunny either needs to adjust to it, or you are going to wind up with right seats populated by guys/gals with a grand total of 1500 hrs, mostly CFI time in Cessna 152s with 25 hours in light twins. Good luck with that.
#24
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I actually think the first year pay was a decent rate for the time the contract was signed even if it's fell behind the times now. Hoping for good things for you guys all around in the new contract.
But it's a 40k/year pay cut from my regional captain job. It's at least year 3 FO to break even. I want out of my current gig and MSP is a huge draw for me but the math just literally doesn't work for year one. I don't mind some pay cut but I don't want to have to sell my house...
#25
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Au contraire. It’s why I, like many others, am not even APPLYING for the job. I’m glad you found it an “OK place to make a living with an OK quality of life,” but the marketplace has changed. A guy with 1500 hrs TT can make $50 an hour as a newbie at regionals today, with a signing bonus, and yes, have housing during training and then have better working rules afterwards. That’s TODAYS reality. And Sunny either needs to adjust to it, or you are going to wind up with right seats populated by guys/gals with a grand total of 1500 hrs, mostly CFI time in Cessna 152s with 25 hours in light twins. Good luck with that.
#26
He's not the only one. I think I'd be a good fit and have a ton of respect for the Sunny pilot group.
I actually think the first year pay was a decent rate for the time the contract was signed even if it's fell behind the times now. Hoping for good things for you guys all around in the new contract.
But it's a 40k/year pay cut from my regional captain job. It's at least year 3 FO to break even. I want out of my current gig and MSP is a huge draw for me but the math just literally doesn't work for year one. I don't mind some pay cut but I don't want to have to sell my house...
I actually think the first year pay was a decent rate for the time the contract was signed even if it's fell behind the times now. Hoping for good things for you guys all around in the new contract.
But it's a 40k/year pay cut from my regional captain job. It's at least year 3 FO to break even. I want out of my current gig and MSP is a huge draw for me but the math just literally doesn't work for year one. I don't mind some pay cut but I don't want to have to sell my house...
#28
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Joined APC: Mar 2018
Posts: 142
Understanding that, Apollo is going to give you an upgrade from 40% below industry average to 35% below industry average and you will like it.
Too bad because you seem like a good pilot group. The only thing lacking is a little self worth.
Last edited by fivebyfive; 06-20-2019 at 07:07 PM.
#29
Your current contract was voted in with an 87% yes vote in 2015. Oddly, your MEC chairman called it a victory that brings you economic respectability amongst your peers.
Understanding that, Apollo is going to give you an upgrade from 40% below industry average to 35% below industry average and you will like it.
Too bad because you seem like a good pilot group. The only thing lacking is a little self worth.
Understanding that, Apollo is going to give you an upgrade from 40% below industry average to 35% below industry average and you will like it.
Too bad because you seem like a good pilot group. The only thing lacking is a little self worth.
#30
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Joined APC: Jun 2019
Posts: 243
Au contraire. It’s why I, like many others, am not even APPLYING for the job. I’m glad you found it an “OK place to make a living with an OK quality of life,” but the marketplace has changed. A guy with 1500 hrs TT can make $50 an hour as a newbie at regionals today, with a signing bonus, and yes, have housing during training and then have better working rules afterwards. That’s TODAYS reality. And Sunny either needs to adjust to it, or you are going to wind up with right seats populated by guys/gals with a grand total of 1500 hrs, mostly CFI time in Cessna 152s with 25 hours in light twins. Good luck with that.
Is there something particular about SY that makes it so much harder than a regional? If not, what keeps management from keeping pay low as long as it is still possible to hire people and get them training and qualified? Honest questions.
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