Commutable for new hires?
02-03-2020, 08:21 PM
#12
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Joined APC: Aug 2018
Posts: 124
Originally Posted by nibake
I agree. Not only that, but I think we have a canary in the DO who will be a good indication of whether or not sticking around is the right move for those who are on the fence.
02-06-2020, 07:54 PM
#13
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Joined APC: Oct 2019
Posts: 22
Just because it’s amendable this year don’t get your hopes up. How long have you been around and how many contracts have you seen??? This will be my 4th with 2 different airlines. I don’t think any airline contract within the last 10 years have been LESS than 2 years of negotiations and the average is at least 4 years. There is so much that needs to be fixed this time I can’t imagine it’s going to be quick. It will go to mediation, and as soon as that happens it takes a long time...that’s just how the process works.
A fat new contract for SY won’t help an IPO...neither will labor strife. It will be an interesting 2-5 years here, it likely will be a very different place. Hopefully for the better, but quite possibly for the worse!
A fat new contract for SY won’t help an IPO...neither will labor strife. It will be an interesting 2-5 years here, it likely will be a very different place. Hopefully for the better, but quite possibly for the worse!
02-07-2020, 03:29 AM
#14
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Joined APC: Jun 2017
Posts: 53
Originally Posted by Starchkr
If he leaves there’s little to no hope IMO.
Wholeheartedly agree. I would say that if he leaves, there is a 100% chance that this place is completely screwed. Already a dangerous amount of pilots have their apps out. Bandwidth is extremely thin for what we are doing. scheduled service is going to shrink to try to accommodate amazon. Classes are barely hanging on and this last class I had heard from has almost half of them with a training failure with resignations to boot. Save yourself the black mark if I were you.
02-07-2020, 06:04 AM
#16
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Joined APC: Dec 2014
Position: Grp Cpt
Posts: 260
Originally Posted by FlyCO
Due to our training being AQP, only the LOE is a jeopardy event. None of them got a black mark. If they did leave, they probably were asked to resign and were not terminated.
02-15-2020, 07:51 PM
#18
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Posts: 93
Just to show how awful our reserve is, 68 FOs are now bypassing upgrade. Which puts upgrade at 1 year 10 months. By the way... 30 airplanes today, 45 by the end of the year and 60 by the end of 2023. ...and people are still leaving! Makes you wonder why?? Come and find out haha
02-16-2020, 02:49 AM
#19
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Joined APC: Aug 2018
Posts: 124
The bottom third of the lines aren’t great either. There’s very little incentive to upgrade and no incentive to stick around. It really seems the best bet is to leave at the first opportunity.
If you’re a low time pilot, a pilot without Jet PIC you’d be better off going to a regional where you can hold a line as a captain more quickly and build the time you need. If the regional has a flow, even better.
The only way this place makes sense is if you live near MSP. Even then there are better options IMO.
I firmly believe we haven’t seen even close to the attrition that will be coming. Without a significant change for the better I’m not sure growing this operation will be possible.
If you’re a low time pilot, a pilot without Jet PIC you’d be better off going to a regional where you can hold a line as a captain more quickly and build the time you need. If the regional has a flow, even better.
The only way this place makes sense is if you live near MSP. Even then there are better options IMO.
I firmly believe we haven’t seen even close to the attrition that will be coming. Without a significant change for the better I’m not sure growing this operation will be possible.
02-16-2020, 05:58 AM
#20
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Joined APC: Jun 2017
Posts: 53
Originally Posted by Starchkr
The bottom third of the lines aren’t great either. There’s very little incentive to upgrade and no incentive to stick around. It really seems the best bet is to leave at the first opportunity.
If you’re a low time pilot, a pilot without Jet PIC you’d be better off going to a regional where you can hold a line as a captain more quickly and build the time you need. If the regional has a flow, even better.
The only way this place makes sense is if you live near MSP. Even then there are better options IMO.
I firmly believe we haven’t seen even close to the attrition that will be coming. Without a significant change for the better I’m not sure growing this operation will be possible.
If you’re a low time pilot, a pilot without Jet PIC you’d be better off going to a regional where you can hold a line as a captain more quickly and build the time you need. If the regional has a flow, even better.
The only way this place makes sense is if you live near MSP. Even then there are better options IMO.
I firmly believe we haven’t seen even close to the attrition that will be coming. Without a significant change for the better I’m not sure growing this operation will be possible.
Absolutely nailed it.
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