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Old 09-14-2021, 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by S4User View Post
Thanks for that info.

What do you mean regarding the pay cut if you upgrade? And you start reserve all over for 3-5 months or is it shorter that time around?

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While the CA rate is higher, you're on reserve making 70 hours with no ability to pick up. A mid to upper level FO lineholder can easily bring in 110 hours of credit in a month by picking up a couple premium pay trips. If you credit over 104 hours as an FO you make more $ than 70 hour captain, if that makes sense.

Not sure I understand your second question, but how long you spend on reserve as a captain is a function of how long you wait to upgrade. If you take first available upgrade as the bottom captain, it's going to be a while as the movement on the captain list is slow. If you wait it out and let people upgrade behind you and upgrade later, you can theoretically avoid CA reserve completely. Just depends on where you are on the seniority list.
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Old 09-14-2021, 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by eagleflight06 View Post
While the CA rate is higher, you're on reserve making 70 hours with no ability to pick up. A mid to upper level FO lineholder can easily bring in 110 hours of credit in a month by picking up a couple premium pay trips. If you credit over 104 hours as an FO you make more $ than 70 hour captain, if that makes sense.
Absolutely correct! Quite easy to credit 110-130 plus, In addition, you have generally a significant amount of control over your schedule!
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Old 09-14-2021, 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Starlifter View Post
Absolutely correct! Quite easy to credit 110-130 plus, In addition, you have generally a significant amount of control over your schedule!
If you upgrade at the first available, plan to be in reserve for 2.5-3 years. Once you can hold a line, plan on min days off along with uncommutable and inefficient five and six day trips (that are difficult to drop and replace with premium pay trips) for a few more years. You can plan for long (>24 hours) layovers in garden spots like PIT, AFW, or GPT, along with a lot of offline deadheads (“middle-seat-express”). And significant amount of red eye flying on NCAA and MLS charters. It’s not fun. I can’t fault anyone who bypasses the upgrade.
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Old 09-15-2021, 01:13 AM
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Originally Posted by eagleflight06 View Post
While the CA rate is higher, you're on reserve making 70 hours with no ability to pick up. A mid to upper level FO lineholder can easily bring in 110 hours of credit in a month by picking up a couple premium pay trips. If you credit over 104 hours as an FO you make more $ than 70 hour captain, if that makes sense.



Not sure I understand your second question, but how long you spend on reserve as a captain is a function of how long you wait to upgrade. If you take first available upgrade as the bottom captain, it's going to be a while as the movement on the captain list is slow. If you wait it out and let people upgrade behind you and upgrade later, you can theoretically avoid CA reserve completely. Just depends on where you are on the seniority list.
Gotcha, that answers my questions. Thanks!

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Old 09-15-2021, 02:30 PM
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If you upgrade at the first available, plan to be in reserve for 2.5-3 years. Once you can hold a line, plan on min days off along with uncommutable and inefficient five and six day trips (that are difficult to drop and replace with premium pay trips) for a few more years. You can plan for long (>24 hours) layovers in garden spots like PIT, AFW, or GPT, along with a lot of offline deadheads (“middle-seat-express”). And significant amount of red eye flying on NCAA and MLS charters. It’s not fun. I can’t fault anyone who bypasses the upgrade.
The uncommutable portion sounds like it will drive away the majority of potential hires
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Old 09-15-2021, 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Tryin2b View Post
The <insert literally anything here> portion sounds like it will drive away the majority of potential hires
Fixed it for you
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Old 09-18-2021, 04:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Tryin2b View Post
The uncommutable portion sounds like it will drive away the majority of potential hires
in the last new hire class of 15 in September I heard there was only 2 that did not commute. Those 13 new hires are in for a rude awakening! It seems that most commuters are using the type rating and experience as a stepping stone to a major airline. The company also gave reserve captains two more days off in September trying to get FO’s to upgrade. I hope these guys don’t fall for it. It’s not permanent. They will pull it away faster than they gave it! They are trying all the tricks they can besides pay and providing an industry competitive contract.
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Old 09-18-2021, 06:05 AM
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Looks like a lot of us are moving up 1 seniority spot this morning. Wonder if more of these old dudes will get their covid vaccine shots now that one of their own lost the fight against the "hoax" last night.
Very inappropriate comment. We lost a coworker. Let's not focus on anything else.
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Old 09-18-2021, 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Ripyia View Post
Only said what many of people have been thinking. Yia had been against the vaccine. He was against all the covid restrictions and had been vocal about how it's not serious and is just liberals making it a political game. There are many more CAs that are in that same boat. Now that this has happened, especially while he was on a trip. Are those guys going to take it a little more serious and at least get the vaccine?
Serious question, does APC have a block user option?
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Old 09-18-2021, 07:21 AM
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Looks like a lot of us are moving up 1 seniority spot this morning. Wonder if more of these old dudes will get their covid vaccine shots now that one of their own lost the fight against the "hoax" last night.
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