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TheFly 06-08-2017 08:40 AM

Boeing studies pilotless planes...
 
Boeing studies pilotless planes as it ponders next jetliner | Reuters

"Airlines are among those backing the idea, in part to deal with a projected need for 1.5 million pilots over the next 20 years as global demand for air travel continues to grow."

It may not be here now, but it's on its way.

yeahbutstill 06-09-2017 10:41 AM


Originally Posted by TheFly (Post 2376204)
Boeing studies pilotless planes as it ponders next jetliner | Reuters

"Airlines are among those backing the idea, in part to deal with a projected need for 1.5 million pilots over the next 20 years as global demand for air travel continues to grow."

It may not be here now, but it's on its way.

Thats until some 16 year old in his mom's basement is able to hack into their systems and take control of the aircraft. :p

CrimsonEclipse 06-17-2017 12:14 PM


Originally Posted by yeahbutstill (Post 2376772)
Thats until some 16 year old in his mom's basement is able to hack into their systems and take control of the aircraft. :p

Just like they hack into the Airbus flight control system.
:rolleyes:

C130driver 06-17-2017 02:12 PM


Originally Posted by CrimsonEclipse (Post 2380915)
Just like they hack into the Airbus flight control system.
:rolleyes:

Oh Man I totally forgot, Airbuses are unmanned! Discussion over, you win! Pilotless airplanes next decade and UBI for everyone to follow.

UAL T38 Phlyer 06-17-2017 02:17 PM


Originally Posted by CrimsonEclipse (Post 2380915)
Just like they hack into the Airbus flight control system.
:rolleyes:

Airbus: not connected to the ground via data-link.

What Boeing is proposing: data-link, either primary, or backup.

While scoffed at initially, it is now believed Iran did successfully hack into the data-link of a US drone, and either forced it to crash, or directed it to Iran. Either way, they captured it. (RQ-170; 2011).

If Boeing is proposing a fully-autonomous plane with no human backup, that will never fly (pun intended).

If it does have a data-link, it can probably be hacked.

tomgoodman 06-17-2017 06:07 PM


Originally Posted by CrimsonEclipse (Post 2380915)
Just like they hack into the Airbus flight control system.
:rolleyes:

No need for that any more; they just hack your implanted chip.

Don't think you have one? Then it's working perfectly. :D

CrimsonEclipse 06-17-2017 07:08 PM


Originally Posted by UAL T38 Phlyer (Post 2380975)
Airbus: not connected to the ground via data-link.

What Boeing is proposing: data-link, either primary, or backup.

While scoffed at initially, it is now believed Iran did successfully hack into the data-link of a US drone, and either forced it to crash, or directed it to Iran. Either way, they captured it. (RQ-170; 2011).

If Boeing is proposing a fully-autonomous plane with no human backup, that will never fly (pun intended).

If it does have a data-link, it can probably be hacked.

I love all of the communications majors here.

Oh, and it will fly, it has flown.
Likely a flying wing or BWB variant as a military refueler/cargo plane followed by civie cargo followed by single pilot pax.

And stop using the RQ-170 as an example.
You don't know what happened and you're guessing.

UAL T38 Phlyer 06-18-2017 04:00 AM


Originally Posted by CrimsonEclipse (Post 2381089)
I love all of the communications majors here.

Oh, and it will fly, it has flown.
Likely a flying wing or BWB variant as a military refueler/cargo plane followed by civie cargo followed by single pilot pax.

And stop using the RQ-170 as an example.
You don't know what happened and you're guessing.

For the record: engineering background/degree/work experience.

Not contesting it can fly...that's demonstrated. What I do find unlikely is public---or even govermental---acceptance.

Global Hawk has a dismal record...it's why the U-2 has not been retired. 40% of the initial Block were lost due to mechanicals. In one case, it disappeared...and they never did figure out where it went.

The RQ170 is not my "guess;" it is the generally accepted explanation, by various technical accounts. One analysis said it was as simple as the Air Force didn't encrypt the datalink, because they didn't think it was an Achilles Heel.

Point being: Germanwings, Silkair, and Egypt Air will raise doubts about single-pilot without a backup. All forms of electronic communication can be exploited, given the right adversary, time, and tactics.

rickair7777 06-18-2017 07:31 AM


Originally Posted by CrimsonEclipse (Post 2381089)
I love all of the communications majors here.

Oh, and it will fly, it has flown.
Likely a flying wing or BWB variant as a military refueler/cargo plane followed by civie cargo followed by single pilot pax.

I agree, but it's going to take a lot longer than many people seem to think. At least 100 years, and that's probably on the low side.



Originally Posted by CrimsonEclipse (Post 2381089)
And stop using the RQ-170 as an example.
You don't know what happened and you're guessing.

I do know what happened. The true story is more complicated, but does not bode well for autonomous aircraft in the near future. Bottom line autonomous aircraft carrying pax will need to be able to function in a TOTALLY autonomous manner, without relying on any help from the ground, because the EM spectrum is vulnerable on so many levels.

CrimsonEclipse 06-19-2017 06:14 AM

"Pilotless planes is unpossible! Because eveeel Haxx0rs!"

So, they forgot to encrypt it?

"EVEEL HAXX0RS!!!!!


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