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Old 10-06-2017, 07:34 AM   #11
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All the CVG SIDs I looked at give a Top Altitude. The only restrictions below that altitude is to fly runway heading for the first 500 feet of climb on some departures. I think you'd get a "climb via" if there was an intermediate crossing restriction.
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This is CVG if anyone cares. They're still not issuing any sort of altitude, at least in their verbal clearances. I would be interested to know if they're including something in their ACARS PDC's, but I am not typically in an aircraft so equipped.
In the PDC it will say cleared KENLN 4 except maintain xxxx. Otherwise fly the top altitude in the SID eg. JETS 6000 PROPS 4000. If unsure of initial ALT always ask for clarification with tower before TO.
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Sounds like some ASRS/NASA reports need to be filled out. As far as I know, climb via SID is still the correct terminology, are we supposed to use ESP to determine what altitudes to fly? There are a lot of places I fly that the top altitude is never what's on the chart.
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Going into ANC, we usually get a "Descend via the SID". BUT...there are NO ALTITUDES on the SID. This clearance is wrong. Every altitude on the SID is at or above.
They should tell us "Descend via the SID to 4000 feet", or whatever. As described above, there is no bottom altitude.

Interestingly enough, the Honeywell box and the ATC agree with each other, and the box flies the descent the way ATC is expecting...
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Going into ANC, we usually get a "Descend via the SID". BUT...there are NO ALTITUDES on the SID. This clearance is wrong. Every altitude on the SID is at or above.
They should tell us "Descend via the SID to 4000 feet", or whatever. As described above, there is no bottom altitude.

Interestingly enough, the Honeywell box and the ATC agree with each other, and the box flies the descent the way ATC is expecting...
Descend via the departure?
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Going into ANC, we usually get a "Descend via the SID". BUT...there are NO ALTITUDES on the SID. This clearance is wrong. Every altitude on the SID is at or above.
They should tell us "Descend via the SID to 4000 feet", or whatever. As described above, there is no bottom altitude.

Interestingly enough, the Honeywell box and the ATC agree with each other, and the box flies the descent the way ATC is expecting...
You are a captain, and you don't know the difference between a SID and a STAR???

And if you are referring to a STAR, the "bottom altitude" is the lowest published altitude on the STAR, which you should know.
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This is CVG if anyone cares. They're still not issuing any sort of altitude, at least in their verbal clearances. I would be interested to know if they're including something in their ACARS PDC's, but I am not typically in an aircraft so equipped.
There are no climb via sids in CVG. They are standard sids with a published top altitude on the Sid. Climb via sids have intermediate restrictions. Nothing has changed. It's been this way forever.
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I'm not saying they were climb via sids. I'm simply asking if there is supposed to be any mention of altitude in the clearance, whether that be top altitude, maintain xxxx, or whatever. I'm not trying to complain, I do not know the answer. I haven't operated out of there forever, but they certainly used to say maintain 6000. If the answer is no why not just say so instead of getting into a bunch of condescending bull****. You know what, **** it, I don't even care anymore. Just delete this ****i g thread please.
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You are a captain, and you don't know the difference between a SID and a STAR???

And if you are referring to a STAR, the "bottom altitude" is the lowest published altitude on the STAR, which you should know.
Yeah...I meant STAR.

The ANC STAR in question does not have a bottom altitude, because it is an "at or above" altitude, so, technically, you could maintain your cruise altitude all the way to the end of the STAR, and you would have complied with the "Descend Via" instruction, which is why it is technically invalid.
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Yeah...I meant STAR.

The ANC STAR in question does not have a bottom altitude, because it is an "at or above" altitude, so, technically, you could maintain your cruise altitude all the way to the end of the STAR, and you would have complied with the "Descend Via" instruction, which is why it is technically invalid.
What ANC STAR are you talking about?
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