Approach plate Question
04-17-2007, 11:41 AM
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I do not have that plate in front of me at the moment, but here at KNPA we have a Y and Z ILS. One requires radar vectors, one uses a GPS wavepoint as an IAF on the base leg. So look at the bold face words and you will probably find the difference between the 2.
04-17-2007, 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by EvilGN
I do not have that plate in front of me at the moment, but here at KNPA we have a Y and Z ILS. One requires radar vectors, one uses a GPS wavepoint as an IAF on the base leg. So look at the bold face words and you will probably find the difference between the 2.
I was curious if you're flying out of LGB regularly and if so, where on the field?
04-17-2007, 02:25 PM
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To answer your question:
8.5.1.3.2.1. Where more than one approach using the same final approach guidance is developed to the same runway, each runway/navigational aid combination will be identified with an alphabetical suffix beginning at the end of the alphabet; e.g. ILS Z RWY 28L (first procedure), ILS Y RWY 28L (second procedure), ILS X RWY 28L (third procedure), etc. Suffixes will be used in reverse alphabetical order, beginning with “Z.”
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8.5.1.3.2.1. Where more than one approach using the same final approach guidance is developed to the same runway, each runway/navigational aid combination will be identified with an alphabetical suffix beginning at the end of the alphabet; e.g. ILS Z RWY 28L (first procedure), ILS Y RWY 28L (second procedure), ILS X RWY 28L (third procedure), etc. Suffixes will be used in reverse alphabetical order, beginning with “Z.”
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04-18-2007, 07:21 PM
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Thank you... Where did you find this answer at?? I have had numerous instructor looking and we could not find it??
Originally Posted by T-1A
To answer your question:
8.5.1.3.2.1. Where more than one approach using the same final approach guidance is developed to the same runway, each runway/navigational aid combination will be identified with an alphabetical suffix beginning at the end of the alphabet; e.g. ILS Z RWY 28L (first procedure), ILS Y RWY 28L (second procedure), ILS X RWY 28L (third procedure), etc. Suffixes will be used in reverse alphabetical order, beginning with “Z.”
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8.5.1.3.2.1. Where more than one approach using the same final approach guidance is developed to the same runway, each runway/navigational aid combination will be identified with an alphabetical suffix beginning at the end of the alphabet; e.g. ILS Z RWY 28L (first procedure), ILS Y RWY 28L (second procedure), ILS X RWY 28L (third procedure), etc. Suffixes will be used in reverse alphabetical order, beginning with “Z.”
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04-18-2007, 07:47 PM
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Try the AIM, para. 5-4-5. a. 3. (d)
Slightly different words, but the same definition.
(d) The naming of multiple approaches of the same type to the same runway is also changing. Multiple approaches with the same guidance will be annotated with an alphabetical suffix beginning at the end of the alphabet and working backwards for subsequent procedures (e.g., ILS Z RWY 28, ILS Y RWY 28, etc.). The existing annotations such as ILS 2 RWY 28 or Silver ILS RWY 28 will be phased out and replaced with the new designation. The Cat II and Cat III designations are used to differentiate between multiple ILSs to the same runway unless there are multiples of the same type.
Slightly different words, but the same definition.
(d) The naming of multiple approaches of the same type to the same runway is also changing. Multiple approaches with the same guidance will be annotated with an alphabetical suffix beginning at the end of the alphabet and working backwards for subsequent procedures (e.g., ILS Z RWY 28, ILS Y RWY 28, etc.). The existing annotations such as ILS 2 RWY 28 or Silver ILS RWY 28 will be phased out and replaced with the new designation. The Cat II and Cat III designations are used to differentiate between multiple ILSs to the same runway unless there are multiples of the same type.
04-18-2007, 09:20 PM
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The Air Force has its own set of regulations and guidance mostly based off of the FAR/AIM. My answer came from our AFMAN 11-217V1. Since I am instructing new AF pilots before they are released into the wild I have a fountain of useless knowledge.
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04-19-2007, 06:24 AM
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Thank you very much.. I have been looking, but somehow just missed that part of the AIM.. I guess that is what I get for "skimming" rather than reading.
Originally Posted by SamFoxpilot
Try the AIM, para. 5-4-5. a. 3. (d)
Slightly different words, but the same definition.
(d) The naming of multiple approaches of the same type to the same runway is also changing. Multiple approaches with the same guidance will be annotated with an alphabetical suffix beginning at the end of the alphabet and working backwards for subsequent procedures (e.g., ILS Z RWY 28, ILS Y RWY 28, etc.). The existing annotations such as ILS 2 RWY 28 or Silver ILS RWY 28 will be phased out and replaced with the new designation. The Cat II and Cat III designations are used to differentiate between multiple ILSs to the same runway unless there are multiples of the same type.
Slightly different words, but the same definition.
(d) The naming of multiple approaches of the same type to the same runway is also changing. Multiple approaches with the same guidance will be annotated with an alphabetical suffix beginning at the end of the alphabet and working backwards for subsequent procedures (e.g., ILS Z RWY 28, ILS Y RWY 28, etc.). The existing annotations such as ILS 2 RWY 28 or Silver ILS RWY 28 will be phased out and replaced with the new designation. The Cat II and Cat III designations are used to differentiate between multiple ILSs to the same runway unless there are multiples of the same type.
04-19-2007, 06:32 AM
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The verbage in 11-217 is a word for word copy from the 8260 change 19. That is the FAA TERPS manual, the tech order the terpster uses for making and labeling approaches. The AIM is just a simplification of things for the average pilot, it is a collection of information and techniques for pilots, it is not the source document. The answer remains the same, but T-1A's answer is the actual definition.
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