Calling all 757 pilots..
04-01-2009, 07:52 AM
#22
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Not good for passengers
Okay - someone needs to bring this up. The 757 is about the worst airplane for a passenger to ride on. The fuselage is the same narrow-body that Boeing has been building since 1958. It is just too narrow for six across seating in the main cabin. If you have three men in a row of three seats, they are shoulder to shoulder - not comfortable. If you are near the back of the plane, it will be a long time after gate arrival that you get off the plane. Good luck making your tight connecting flight. Then there are the damn TV screens in the aisle. What genius thought that up? A short one, I'd bet. I am constantly hitting my head on those things. The interior materials do not hold up well, and the inside of the airplane always looks kind of trashed. All in all, I'd rather ride on an MD-80 - the seats are wider, there are fewer middle seats, there is more overhead space per passenger, and it is quieter.
The 757 is great for the pilots, but not good for the passengers.
The 757 is great for the pilots, but not good for the passengers.
04-01-2009, 08:03 AM
#23
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I agree with that, but it was Part 25 certified in 1983 or so. That has hot stuff back then. I know at DAL we are putting in those IFE's in most of the jets, new seats and interiors. It looks a lot better than it did a few years ago.
I will agree that the middle seat on a 757 is the worst ride in the industry. Try a 767 middle all the way to Europe, yuck!
I will agree that the middle seat on a 757 is the worst ride in the industry. Try a 767 middle all the way to Europe, yuck!
04-01-2009, 09:48 AM
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at least DL is putting in decent IFE and screens.... AA has been stuck with those 1970s-vintage overhead TV monitors with no end in sight. The only 757s getting new IFE (and flat screens) are the 27 trans-atlantic ones they are now modifying.
04-01-2009, 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Now that's funny. Maybe if the other girl at the dance is an MD88...
And if the B757 is the belle of the ball, the B767 is the B757 after a year of marriage, and the 777 is the 757 after having three children.
04-01-2009, 08:13 PM
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The 757 is just fine in the front rows and it is livable if you get a clear middle seat in the back rows.
The other thing going for the 757 is the ride. In turbulence it seems to ride better than the 320 or 737. This is likely because it is a heavier jet with bigger wings; it is also likely because it gets up higher faster than the 320 and 737, but in any case it always seems more composed and not as herky jerky and I think the PAX appreciate that fact.
Note - the -300 is s stretch to far for a narrow body. The dang thing is way to long and narrow - if you end up in a back seat, you will wait forever to get off the thing.
The -200 is GREAT!
The other thing going for the 757 is the ride. In turbulence it seems to ride better than the 320 or 737. This is likely because it is a heavier jet with bigger wings; it is also likely because it gets up higher faster than the 320 and 737, but in any case it always seems more composed and not as herky jerky and I think the PAX appreciate that fact.
Note - the -300 is s stretch to far for a narrow body. The dang thing is way to long and narrow - if you end up in a back seat, you will wait forever to get off the thing.
The -200 is GREAT!
04-01-2009, 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by 7576FO
I also fly the 757 for AA. I take it for granted too often. We use it for everything. The short Caribbean legs sometimes we'll do a full power takeoff and it is impressive. I also fly it to Quito Ecuador and La Paz Bolivia. Those are the cities that make you realize how great an aircraft it is. Our's have the Rolls Royce engines that produce just a little more power than the Pratt's.
Also i've flown the S80 and the 737 and the 757 all into and out of SNA. Here's my thoughts about SNA, the S80's have bad brakes. They chatter, they moan and I always wondered if it'd stop before the end of the pavement there. The 737-800 with the flaps 40 into SNA still flew a faster final than the 757, and was great at stopping, but the 757 is a dream in and out of SNA.
About La Paz Bolivia 13,318 above sea level, we land and take off unpressurized. On the descent we start the cabin press up to 13,300 and then all 3 pilots go on Oxygen. Here's where limits come into play. No flaps until below 20,000. Do not use flaps 15, must land flaps 25. In event of Go-around go directly to flaps 5. You are going very fast on short final. We touchdown at 175 knots GS. At that speed it is hard to make a bad landing. It's just weird, you think "i'm going fast fast fast."The thrust reversers seem to take forever to spool. The runway is very long.
On the ground for 1 hour, then fly to Santa Cruz Bolivia 45 minutes away and spend the day and night.
On the ground at La Paz the extra co-pilot goes out and does the walk-around. No-one takes an O2 bottle with them. As you go down the steep jetbridge stairs you do not notice, but after three steps at your normal walking pace, you think Wow! I gotta slow down. At a slow walking pace, the post flight inspection takes a while. And there's two mechanics that want to chat with you, and you're out of breath. Time to climb the jetbridge stairs. Wow, they look steep. Get to the top of the jetbridge and i'm thinking i'm going straight to the cockpit and go on O2 mask. And there to my surprise is the CA and other FO, they are smoking cigarettes. I'm all out of breath and they look at me like "What?" I shake my heard and wonder how come they don't pass out form lack of O2.
Anyway the Takeoff is flaps 5 and the limit is 195 knots max tire groundspeed. We're there everytime. The mains come off at 189 knots most of the time. We level off at 23,000 and the Autopilot must be on in order to sense Zero net alt gain or loss for the cabin to begin pressurize from 13,300 down to apprx 7,500 cabin altitude for cruise. Once the cabin altitude starts moving down then we'll continue climbing. When the cabin is below 10,000 we take off the O2 masks.
At that point, you'd think we'd go Wow! What an airplane. But at this point we're just thinking lets get to VVI and let the best part of this trip start.
I fly the 757 much more than the 767 as I prefer daytime flying. I love the 757.
I guess it's like being married to a Supermodel, after a while you take her for granted.
Heidi Klum 757-200
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Also i've flown the S80 and the 737 and the 757 all into and out of SNA. Here's my thoughts about SNA, the S80's have bad brakes. They chatter, they moan and I always wondered if it'd stop before the end of the pavement there. The 737-800 with the flaps 40 into SNA still flew a faster final than the 757, and was great at stopping, but the 757 is a dream in and out of SNA.
About La Paz Bolivia 13,318 above sea level, we land and take off unpressurized. On the descent we start the cabin press up to 13,300 and then all 3 pilots go on Oxygen. Here's where limits come into play. No flaps until below 20,000. Do not use flaps 15, must land flaps 25. In event of Go-around go directly to flaps 5. You are going very fast on short final. We touchdown at 175 knots GS. At that speed it is hard to make a bad landing. It's just weird, you think "i'm going fast fast fast."The thrust reversers seem to take forever to spool. The runway is very long.
On the ground for 1 hour, then fly to Santa Cruz Bolivia 45 minutes away and spend the day and night.
On the ground at La Paz the extra co-pilot goes out and does the walk-around. No-one takes an O2 bottle with them. As you go down the steep jetbridge stairs you do not notice, but after three steps at your normal walking pace, you think Wow! I gotta slow down. At a slow walking pace, the post flight inspection takes a while. And there's two mechanics that want to chat with you, and you're out of breath. Time to climb the jetbridge stairs. Wow, they look steep. Get to the top of the jetbridge and i'm thinking i'm going straight to the cockpit and go on O2 mask. And there to my surprise is the CA and other FO, they are smoking cigarettes. I'm all out of breath and they look at me like "What?" I shake my heard and wonder how come they don't pass out form lack of O2.
Anyway the Takeoff is flaps 5 and the limit is 195 knots max tire groundspeed. We're there everytime. The mains come off at 189 knots most of the time. We level off at 23,000 and the Autopilot must be on in order to sense Zero net alt gain or loss for the cabin to begin pressurize from 13,300 down to apprx 7,500 cabin altitude for cruise. Once the cabin altitude starts moving down then we'll continue climbing. When the cabin is below 10,000 we take off the O2 masks.
At that point, you'd think we'd go Wow! What an airplane. But at this point we're just thinking lets get to VVI and let the best part of this trip start.
I fly the 757 much more than the 767 as I prefer daytime flying. I love the 757.
I guess it's like being married to a Supermodel, after a while you take her for granted.
Heidi Klum 757-200
7576
04-02-2009, 08:13 AM
#29
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Originally Posted by aa73
The first one, N389AA is already in revenue service.... next one up is N345AN, currently being modified. They should all be completed by next year I think, along with the FPDS (flat panel displays.)
Nice post 7576!
AAflyer, go to work! Did they drop your CCS yet?
Nice post 7576!
AAflyer, go to work! Did they drop your CCS yet?
Cheers,
AA
04-02-2009, 08:18 PM
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The old adage "If it looks good it must fly good" was surely coined by a 757 pilot. There is no better looking airplane than a 757. As a teenager 20 years ago, I spent my allowance in parking at CVG to go look at all the DAL 757s. I can honestly say I've fulfilled a childhood dream flying it for Delta. As has been written, there is no finer plane than a 757. I've flown a couple of different models of the 737 and while the world's best selling airplane, it is no where near the worlds best commercial airplane. That honor rests with the 757 aka the Shredder.
The Pratts take about 55-65 seconds to start and stabilize at idle. It flies better than any plane I've ever flown and does exactly what you want it to. Just look at the lines on it and you will have enough inspiration for your paper. I could write pages on how good it is.
The Pratts take about 55-65 seconds to start and stabilize at idle. It flies better than any plane I've ever flown and does exactly what you want it to. Just look at the lines on it and you will have enough inspiration for your paper. I could write pages on how good it is.
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