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cantwin 07-31-2011 01:34 PM

Inbound Question
 
At what point are you considered "inbound", say after a procedure turn? When the course is "alive" or is it within one dot? And a reference would be great too.

Another scenario:
Let's say you are at 3,000' headed toward TAM from the south.
ATC says: Maintain 3,000' until established, cleared ILS 13.
At which point can you start your descent? After TAM? In PT?

http://www.tomzap.com/esc/APPROACHtampicoILS13.gif

Thanks in advance!

Luv2Rotate 07-31-2011 01:57 PM

You're considered inbound when you're 137 course is centered on your LOC. "course alive" means that you can start your turn to follow your loc course to intercept the 137 inbound. This is basic IFR flying. If you're getting ready for an interview, you might want to hit up a CFII.

johnso29 07-31-2011 02:07 PM

This looks like a XJET interview question. :D It's been so long since I've done one of these at XJET, so double check my answer.

Once you've reached TAM head outbound on the 317 radial. At 5.0 DME from TAM start your descent to 1400ft MSL and your outbound turn(45 to 60 secs outbound) then turn inbound & intercept the Rwy 13 localizer. Remember you're only protected from terrain/obstructions with in 15 DME of TAM or with in 10 DME of D5.0 TAM or D4.2 ITAM(Rwy 13 LOC).

Once established(needle centered) and crossing ITAM 4.2 you may follow the GS to 279ft MSL or you may descend to 440ft MSL if the GS is out if service.

You can also identify the GS intercept point with DME off TAM VOR(5.0 DME)

Check this info with the AIM. :p

wizepilot 07-31-2011 03:50 PM

That 1400' is only good if you are ON the radial or loc inbound within 10nm of TAM. Look at the MSA. If they told you to maintain 3,000, cleared for the approach, then stay there until at least you complete the procedure turn, the loc comes alive and you are within 10nm of TAM. Then you can descend to 1400. I know it's a short distance. If you go down to 1400 on your way out, then turn off the course to do the procedure turn, you may not know what you might run into.

wizepilot 07-31-2011 04:01 PM

Let me requalify my previous post. If you are within 15DME or 10DME TAM (same thing) then you can go down to 1400. Once the loc comes alive, and you are within the proper distance, you are terrain protected. I had to look at that plate again! Carry on.;)

BrewMaster 07-31-2011 04:08 PM

Good read...

http://www.terps.com/ifrr/may96.pdf

Fly782 07-31-2011 04:14 PM

Ten, ten and Clear.

Within 10 degrees of final approach course, 10 miles from VOR or whatever source the MSA is for and being cleared for the approach

IlliniPilot99 07-31-2011 04:16 PM

if he's in instrument training...this is understandable...but if this is in prep for an interview....this is instrument 101 stuff

slough 07-31-2011 05:17 PM

why no IAF labeled?

cantwin 08-01-2011 06:52 AM


Originally Posted by IlliniPilot99 (Post 1031850)
if he's in instrument training...this is understandable...but if this is in prep for an interview....this is instrument 101 stuff

I'm here asking a question, not to be ridiculed about how I don't know instrument 101 stuff... thank you.


Originally Posted by Luv2Rotate (Post 1031777)
You're considered inbound when you're 137 course is centered on your LOC. "course alive" means that you can start your turn to follow your loc course to intercept the 137 inbound. This is basic IFR flying. If you're getting ready for an interview, you might want to hit up a CFII.

Are you certain established means you are "centered on the LOC?"

I have been flying a Hawker for the past 3 years. This isn't a scenario that you get everyday. When we practice in the sim, we use 1 dot to define "established" and that's when we can start our descent. Without going into too much detail in my original question, I was just trying to see if somebody can find the answer in writing somewhere.

BrewMaster: Good article.

The other part of my question refers to the time when you are able to start a descent after passing TAM. Is it after passing TAM outbound, or after the Procedure Turn and "established inbound"?


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