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FlyingKat 01-30-2018 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by zondaracer (Post 2516004)
Endeavor classes are full through June and they are turning down applicants as they are overwhelmed with applications. They are growing by a net 16 airplanes. They are taking on airframes from Expressjet without integrating their pilots other than hiring them as new hires.

The GoJet DL 700s are Delta owned but the 900’s are TSH owned, so it’ll be interesting to see how that plays out. The GJ United 700 fleet by itself would seem too small to be viable.

The Gojet United 700 operation was viable by itself for several years before Gojet started flying for Delta. Delta has wanted the ex Comair Gojet 700s at Endeavor for a while, but Endeavor couldn't staff them. If this merger happens we will see if the pilots move with the airplanes. Endeavor is filling classes with Expressjet guys right now but there will be an end to that pool of pilots eventually as other carriers match Endeavors payrates. But the fact remains that Delta could have moved some of the Comair 700s to Endeavor when they moved the Compass 170s to Republic but didn't do it because Endeavor couldn't staff them.

Flying is Cool 01-31-2018 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by FlyingKat (Post 2516033)
The Gojet United 700 operation was viable by itself for several years before Gojet started flying for Delta. Delta has wanted the ex Comair Gojet 700s at Endeavor for a while, but Endeavor couldn't staff them. If this merger happens we will see if the pilots move with the airplanes. Endeavor is filling classes with Expressjet guys right now but there will be an end to that pool of pilots eventually as other carriers match Endeavors payrates. But the fact remains that Delta could have moved some of the Comair 700s to Endeavor when they moved the Compass 170s to Republic but didn't do it because Endeavor couldn't staff them.

Wrong. Republic filed for bankruptcy and parked all their 145’s, forcing 9E to take out who knows how many -200’s out the desert,to cover all of shuttle’s 50 seat flying in the NY market. Will hiring keep outpacing attrition? Maybe, but to just assume a teamsters pilot group is going to be forced on an ALPA pilot group’s seniority list easy peasy is a pretty bold assumption. If the 700’s go to 9e, it will be drawn out, not over night.

yeah sure 01-31-2018 03:08 AM

Yep and Delta dropped them like a bad habit when they didn't need Mesa anymore


Just took a 3 year lawsuit. Hard to say they dropped easily. Harder to get rid of someone you have a contract with than you think, even if you hate that company or person.

FloridaLarry 01-31-2018 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by yeah sure (Post 2516077)
Yep and Delta dropped them like a bad habit when they didn't need Mesa anymore


Just took a 3 year lawsuit. Hard to say they dropped easily. Harder to get rid of someone you have a contract with than you think, even if you hate that company or person.

Delta's got plenty of lawyers, and experience in just these issues. They've shown that if they want to badly enough, they'll do it and prevail in court.

ORD170 01-31-2018 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by FlyingKat (Post 2515984)
Fortunately McCaskill Bond won't allow any kind of staple, but we will see where this goes if a merger happens. One thing in our favor is Republic needs all the pilots, so it will be in their interest to give us a reason to stay.



Lol no one will get stapled. I’m sure there will be a fence, and of course everyone will be unhappy with the SLI.


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yeah sure 01-31-2018 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by FloridaLarry (Post 2516217)
Delta's got plenty of lawyers, and experience in just these issues. They've shown that if they want to badly enough, they'll do it and prevail in court.

You are right delta never has made poor decisions or lost money. Heil Mother Delta!!

FlyingKat 01-31-2018 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Flying is Cool (Post 2516065)
Wrong. Republic filed for bankruptcy and parked all their 145’s, forcing 9E to take out who knows how many -200’s out the desert,to cover all of shuttle’s 50 seat flying in the NY market. Will hiring keep outpacing attrition? Maybe, but to just assume a teamsters pilot group is going to be forced on an ALPA pilot group’s seniority list easy peasy is a pretty bold assumption. If the 700’s go to 9e, it will be drawn out, not over night.

Never said it would be easy peasy. All depends on the terms of the sale. But if Delta finally succeeds in buying Gojet either directly or via Republic, and combines it with Endeavor, the planes and pilots will go to Endeavor, and you guys can fight it out with the Blowjet dudes. Have fun.

FlyingKat 01-31-2018 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by yeah sure (Post 2516286)
You are right delta never has made poor decisions or lost money. Heil Mother Delta!!

Not since Northwest management took over in the merger. Those guys are ruthless bastards and will put the screws to you for a dime. The Luftthansa fiasco at Gojet gave Mother Delta all it needs to yank the Comair 700s away and send them elsewhere.

SevereClear1 01-31-2018 09:50 AM

They could of course send G7 to 9E and convert the united 700s to Delta. Then not only would they get the pilots they would get additional planes and hurt united at the same time.

Although united would probably like that and replace the 70. Seat flying with 170/175s elsewhere

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zondaracer 01-31-2018 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by SevereClear1 (Post 2516369)
They could of course send G7 to 9E and convert the united 700s to Delta. Then not only would they get the pilots they would get additional planes and hurt united at the same time.

Although united would probably like that and replace the 70. Seat flying with 170/175s elsewhere

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Except that Delta is scoped out on 70 seat aircraft.
And there’s a regional out there with 22 700’s that won’t have a home at the end of this year, and they are being shopped around. I’m sure United could easily find replacements.


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