TSA or Envoy
10-09-2018, 05:27 PM
#12
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Originally Posted by FlyingKat
That was because they were paying 300 percent for open time.
10-13-2018, 08:33 PM
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Do you feel lucky, punk?
Like others have said, the obvious choice is to go to Envoy, for too many reasons to count. The biggest is that you will start a clock to go to American just behind about 2000 of your closest friends. Yes, it will take a few years, but there is light at the end of the tunnel. At TSA, how many years until your application gets called for an interview at a major, your guess is as good as mine, 3, 5, 10, 15, never?
But there are reasons to go to TSA, if you are willing to gamble your future. 1. You will fly. TSA you'll get 1000 hours of 121 time in just over a year. At Envoy, some FO's spend so much time on reserve, they still don't qualify to be a Captain after 2 years. Just don't expect to upgrade at TSA until something drastic changes.
2. Pay. Bonuses aside, Envoy, you will credit min guarantee, and only go over if you volunteer to fly on your days off... if you can pick up a trip. TSA, you will probably credit over 100 hours per month.
3. Reserve. TSA, you will probably hold a line out of training. Envoy, depending on base and equipment, it could be months, or years.
From what you have said, I'd recommend Envoy. Unless you really have a goal to go someplace specific that isn't American, take the Envoy job and coast with the flow. Save yourself the ulcers from paying for application reviews, interview prep, going to job fairs, wondering if you will ever get called for an interview, junior assignments on that one day you needed off, and the perpetual drama from contract negotions and Republic takeover rumors.
Like others have said, the obvious choice is to go to Envoy, for too many reasons to count. The biggest is that you will start a clock to go to American just behind about 2000 of your closest friends. Yes, it will take a few years, but there is light at the end of the tunnel. At TSA, how many years until your application gets called for an interview at a major, your guess is as good as mine, 3, 5, 10, 15, never?
But there are reasons to go to TSA, if you are willing to gamble your future. 1. You will fly. TSA you'll get 1000 hours of 121 time in just over a year. At Envoy, some FO's spend so much time on reserve, they still don't qualify to be a Captain after 2 years. Just don't expect to upgrade at TSA until something drastic changes.
2. Pay. Bonuses aside, Envoy, you will credit min guarantee, and only go over if you volunteer to fly on your days off... if you can pick up a trip. TSA, you will probably credit over 100 hours per month.
3. Reserve. TSA, you will probably hold a line out of training. Envoy, depending on base and equipment, it could be months, or years.
From what you have said, I'd recommend Envoy. Unless you really have a goal to go someplace specific that isn't American, take the Envoy job and coast with the flow. Save yourself the ulcers from paying for application reviews, interview prep, going to job fairs, wondering if you will ever get called for an interview, junior assignments on that one day you needed off, and the perpetual drama from contract negotions and Republic takeover rumors.
10-14-2018, 07:30 AM
#14
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Originally Posted by Tyrion
Do you feel lucky, punk?
Like others have said, the obvious choice is to go to Envoy, for too many reasons to count. The biggest is that you will start a clock to go to American just behind about 2000 of your closest friends. Yes, it will take a few years, but there is light at the end of the tunnel. At TSA, how many years until your application gets called for an interview at a major, your guess is as good as mine, 3, 5, 10, 15, never?
But there are reasons to go to TSA, if you are willing to gamble your future. 1. You will fly. TSA you'll get 1000 hours of 121 time in just over a year. At Envoy, some FO's spend so much time on reserve, they still don't qualify to be a Captain after 2 years. Just don't expect to upgrade at TSA until something drastic changes.
2. Pay. Bonuses aside, Envoy, you will credit min guarantee, and only go over if you volunteer to fly on your days off... if you can pick up a trip. TSA, you will probably credit over 100 hours per month.
3. Reserve. TSA, you will probably hold a line out of training. Envoy, depending on base and equipment, it could be months, or years.
From what you have said, I'd recommend Envoy. Unless you really have a goal to go someplace specific that isn't American, take the Envoy job and coast with the flow. Save yourself the ulcers from paying for application reviews, interview prep, going to job fairs, wondering if you will ever get called for an interview, junior assignments on that one day you needed off, and the perpetual drama from contract negotions and Republic takeover rumors.
Like others have said, the obvious choice is to go to Envoy, for too many reasons to count. The biggest is that you will start a clock to go to American just behind about 2000 of your closest friends. Yes, it will take a few years, but there is light at the end of the tunnel. At TSA, how many years until your application gets called for an interview at a major, your guess is as good as mine, 3, 5, 10, 15, never?
But there are reasons to go to TSA, if you are willing to gamble your future. 1. You will fly. TSA you'll get 1000 hours of 121 time in just over a year. At Envoy, some FO's spend so much time on reserve, they still don't qualify to be a Captain after 2 years. Just don't expect to upgrade at TSA until something drastic changes.
2. Pay. Bonuses aside, Envoy, you will credit min guarantee, and only go over if you volunteer to fly on your days off... if you can pick up a trip. TSA, you will probably credit over 100 hours per month.
3. Reserve. TSA, you will probably hold a line out of training. Envoy, depending on base and equipment, it could be months, or years.
From what you have said, I'd recommend Envoy. Unless you really have a goal to go someplace specific that isn't American, take the Envoy job and coast with the flow. Save yourself the ulcers from paying for application reviews, interview prep, going to job fairs, wondering if you will ever get called for an interview, junior assignments on that one day you needed off, and the perpetual drama from contract negotions and Republic takeover rumors.
Personally I flew 1000 hours in just over a year and completed my upgrade and was checked to line by 20months (straight back to a line too as CA).
I’ve also credited 130+ hours nearly every month and still had 12ish days at home (live in base makes it easy).
Downside to envoy is that pay rates aren’t keeping up with industry and for Those who are on reserve the reserve rules could be improved.
10-20-2018, 09:44 AM
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I'm not sure what is so off base about it. Living in base, and being in the right equipment will certainly help your chances of flying. Also, 2016-2017 was probably a different situation than 2018. Most FO's I've talked to, who mostly commute, have endured several months of reserve and have really low total hours flown, even without trying to hide out in the crash pad.
Once someone becomes a line holder, can trip trade, and get more days off to pick up open time... sure, you can crank out the time. But that doesn't seem to be the case with any of the 2018 hires I've been talking with.
Once someone becomes a line holder, can trip trade, and get more days off to pick up open time... sure, you can crank out the time. But that doesn't seem to be the case with any of the 2018 hires I've been talking with.
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