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Wolves81283 07-03-2019 10:40 PM

Tsa longevity?
 
I’m looking at between SkyWest and trans states and am slightly concerned with the new pilot contract concessions will be made on something are these fears warranted? Also anyone there now what is the next few years looking like? Will they actually replace the old work horses they have? Are they financially stable and going to grow? Seeing the shutdown of the iad base and rdu shrinking from tsa and the possible Denver closure from gojet really makes me wonder if the company is going to be around in a few years. Any and all info is greatly appreciated

C37AFE 07-04-2019 03:23 AM

Go Skywest. Fears conquered. Seriously. TSA has quick upgrades and almost guaranteed Den domicile if you want it. Everything else is up in the air

FlyingKat 07-04-2019 05:08 AM


Originally Posted by Wolves81283 (Post 2847438)
I’m looking at between SkyWest and trans states and am slightly concerned with the new pilot contract concessions will be made on something are these fears warranted? Also anyone there now what is the next few years looking like? Will they actually replace the old work horses they have? Are they financially stable and going to grow? Seeing the shutdown of the iad base and rdu shrinking from tsa and the possible Denver closure from gojet really makes me wonder if the company is going to be around in a few years. Any and all info is greatly appreciated


We will shut the place down before giving in on the concessions they want. We fought too hard for our min day and PBS language will never give it up. They can pound sand. PBS barely passed with the language in the TA and TSA management wants us to give that up. Ain't gonna happen.

itsmytime 07-04-2019 06:47 AM


Originally Posted by FlyingKat (Post 2847490)
We will shut the place down before giving in on the concessions they want. We fought too hard for our min day and PBS language will never give it up. They can pound sand. PBS barely passed with the language in the TA and TSA management wants us to give that up. Ain't gonna happen.

That’s good to hear. It was disappointing to see the company come at you for concessions in this market.

Phoenix21 07-04-2019 08:07 AM


Originally Posted by itsmytime (Post 2847525)
That’s good to hear. It was disappointing to see the company come at you for concessions in this market.

Regional management negotiation 101.

Wolves81283 07-04-2019 11:05 AM

So from the sound of it you all would recommend ping with SkyWest for stability? The biggest thing is I want to make sure I have a job for one, and two that I can fly my butt off. Also wondering about the training department at tsa as well

Excargodog 07-04-2019 03:45 PM


Originally Posted by Wolves81283 (Post 2847654)
So from the sound of it you all would recommend ping with SkyWest for stability? The biggest thing is I want to make sure I have a job for one, and two that I can fly my butt off. Also wondering about the training department at tsa as well

It’s the regionals. There is no stability. Fortunately you are entering at a time of great opportunity due to all the legacy retirements. The worst that is going to happen is that you get a type rating for free and enough hours to make you a certain pick for the next regional. If that does happen , try to get a different airframe so you will get a free SECOND type rating, which will help you move up to a major more quickly.

BrazilBusDriver 07-17-2019 11:33 AM


Originally Posted by Wolves81283 (Post 2847654)
So from the sound of it you all would recommend ping with SkyWest for stability? The biggest thing is I want to make sure I have a job for one, and two that I can fly my butt off. Also wondering about the training department at tsa as well

Personal opinion - The training department at Trans States is one of the great things about the airline. It's almost all done in house and the instructors seem to have a lot of say in how training is structured, who gets extended/offered extra time, etc.

YMMV.

MolineCFI 07-17-2019 05:43 PM


Originally Posted by BrazilBusDriver (Post 2854748)
Personal opinion - The training department at Trans States is one of the great things about the airline. It's almost all done in house and the instructors seem to have a lot of say in how training is structured, who gets extended/offered extra time, etc.

YMMV.

That can change in an instant. TSA had a class of 44 in 2007 where only 2 made it through. I knew the 2 who made it and they were both furloughed a few months later. Any HK airline means all decisions are based on the dollar.

Skywest is the place to go, without doubt.

BrazilBusDriver 07-19-2019 04:17 AM


Originally Posted by MolineCFI (Post 2854911)
That can change in an instant. TSA had a class of 44 in 2007 where only 2 made it through. I knew the 2 who made it and they were both furloughed a few months later. Any HK airline means all decisions are based on the dollar.

Skywest is the place to go, without doubt.

So I don't disagree with your assessment that SkyWest is a safer medium-term option for someone just starting out...but - I'm pretty sure I would have heard about a pass rate that drastically poor. I was there in 2007 too and also furloughed. Even if that did happen and I was just blissfully unaware, it's not like that is normal or sustainable (eg something OP should expect), it would have been a one time thing. Yes, they did wash a lot more people out from training back then and extra sim time was much harder to come by, but a sustained rate of 2 for 44 would be severely disruptive to ops and eventually bankrupt any small RJ operator. Not to mention get a lot of staff in the training department sent back to the line/fired.


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