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xtreme 10-02-2009 07:56 AM


Originally Posted by FlyASA (Post 687907)
The big deal is that this is up to 100 new "regional jets" that are going to replace mainline jets and jobs.

Just a correction, it's 50 firm orders with 50 options. I rarely see carriers exercise the options. Who knows tho, either way it's bad.

AirWillie 10-02-2009 07:58 AM

This is certainly big news for a small private airline in the Midwest and probably uncharacteristic of TS. I'm guessing they can see the future because this order makes absolutely no sense.

TSA as far as I know doesn't have the 50 seat restriction anymore. They fly for UA and US. If this was for Gojet, then just like the CRJNGs it would have probably said Gojet in the order. I have no doubt in my mind that they will dangle this carrot to TSA first since they're probably desperate at this point. It's the perfect whipsaw. But let's not get ahead of our selves the airplane hasn't even been built yet.

eaglefly 10-02-2009 08:02 AM


Originally Posted by AirWillie (Post 687916)
This is certainly big news for a small private airline in the Midwest and probably uncharacteristic of TS. I'm guessing they can see the future because this order makes absolutely no sense.

TSA as far as I know doesn't have the 50 seat restriction anymore. They fly for UA and TSA. If this was for Gojet, then just like the CRJNGs it would have probably said Gojet in the order. I have no doubt in my mind that they will dangle this carrot to TSA first since they're probably desperate at this point. It's the perfect whipsaw. But let's not get ahead of our selves the airplane hasn't even been built yet.

They're looking ahead.

Pilots have always had trouble with that.

In 1992 Comair was looking ahead.

It started with one innocuous little order that most everyone pooh-poohed at the time.

It's happening again.

Pilots are still not looking ahead.

Sad............you think they'd have learrned by now.

Sniper 10-02-2009 08:02 AM


Originally Posted by FlyASA (Post 687907)
The big deal is that this is up to 100 new "regional jets" that are going to replace mainline jets and jobs.

How so?

The MRJ-90 is bigger and heavier than a EMB-175.

If it's the MRJ-70, it's like an EMB-170. These are already a known quantity.

This order of 50 with 50 options is not an addition of '100 new regional jets', but rather either a replacement of some jets currently in the system (MRJ-70), or new jets that are too large to fit under a scope clause in the current system (MRJ-90).

If there is an opportunity to use them, I like the codeshare idea, similar to the way Midwest Airlines was chopped off @ the knees by Republic. Codeshare can take your small jets, your medium jets, and your large jets. It's the new scope.

rickair7777 10-02-2009 08:16 AM


Originally Posted by mynameisjim (Post 687857)
860nm range? What a piece of junk! Throw in a distant alternate and what have you gone then?

It's not a typo for the two smaller models, but the 90-seat version is more like 1500+ NM.

Actually the 800 NM range makes perfect sense...if your service area is the japanese home islands.

If TSA is really ordering 70 seat MRJ's, one would assume it is for short-haul work out of ORD/IAD.

mynameisjim 10-02-2009 08:22 AM

The range chart in the PDF presentation is centered around Denver.

Copperhed51 10-02-2009 08:29 AM

I remember when I was in training and Rick Leach was saying how excited the company was about the MRJ. Well, I guess he was serious. Unfortunately he's President of G7 also. These planes will all go over to that side and TSA will be left with nothing. Either way, expanding regional flying anywhere doesn't excite me much.

cybourg10 10-02-2009 08:40 AM

Mitsubishi Aviation + Trans States (Holdings) = lots of broken airplanes.

Lets not assume they already have an agreement with a major airline to fly these for.

bryris 10-02-2009 08:41 AM

If this pans out its good news for the short term, HORRIBLE news for the long term.

Eitherway, the first airplane won't hit until 2014. Just a reminder to everyone, it is 2009 right now. And you know that delivery time lines NEVER go according to the plan - so tack a year or two onto that.

CaptainCarl 10-02-2009 08:53 AM

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