Trans States ALPA request for proffer
12-05-2009, 05:58 PM
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Trans States ALPA request for proffer
I guess the time has finally come. After nearly 4 years (4 in February) of no progress negotiations, the union has asked to request a proffer of arbitration. I eagerly await the NMB's decision.
For all of the furloughed or not yet informed pilots, here is the company's response:
For all of the furloughed or not yet informed pilots, here is the company's response:
ALPA notified the company yesterday that they have made a request to the National
Mediation Board (NMB) to declare an impasse in negotiations and to “proffer arbitration”
which is the first step towards being released from federal mediation and begin a 30-day
“cooling off period.”
While such an action is not unusual in the process of negotiations, the company is
disappointed that the union leadership has decided to take this approach rather than
continuing to meet and work through our remaining issues. We firmly believe that ALPA’s
request is not the best way to bring our negotiations to a conclusion.
The request to the NMB of a proffer does not carry any special significance to the negotiating
process. Other airlines in the midst of negotiations have continued to make progress well
after such a proffer was demanded by the union. In the case of the Trans States
negotiations, we must wait to see how the NMB views such a request from ALPA before the
true significance of this latest move will truly be known. We have been asked to provide the
NMB with our view of ALPA’s request, which we will be doing in the coming weeks.
As we have said in the past, we continue to negotiate in good faith to achieve a contract that
provides the pilots with improvements to their current contract while protecting the
company’s ability to remain competitive in the marketplace. We hope that ALPA will continue
to work with the company to achieve these goals.
Should you have any questions, please don’t hesitate to contact Fred Oxxxx at
xxxxxxxxxxxx
Mediation Board (NMB) to declare an impasse in negotiations and to “proffer arbitration”
which is the first step towards being released from federal mediation and begin a 30-day
“cooling off period.”
While such an action is not unusual in the process of negotiations, the company is
disappointed that the union leadership has decided to take this approach rather than
continuing to meet and work through our remaining issues. We firmly believe that ALPA’s
request is not the best way to bring our negotiations to a conclusion.
The request to the NMB of a proffer does not carry any special significance to the negotiating
process. Other airlines in the midst of negotiations have continued to make progress well
after such a proffer was demanded by the union. In the case of the Trans States
negotiations, we must wait to see how the NMB views such a request from ALPA before the
true significance of this latest move will truly be known. We have been asked to provide the
NMB with our view of ALPA’s request, which we will be doing in the coming weeks.
As we have said in the past, we continue to negotiate in good faith to achieve a contract that
provides the pilots with improvements to their current contract while protecting the
company’s ability to remain competitive in the marketplace. We hope that ALPA will continue
to work with the company to achieve these goals.
Should you have any questions, please don’t hesitate to contact Fred Oxxxx at
xxxxxxxxxxxx
12-05-2009, 07:39 PM
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Wow. It almost seems like management thinks we're idiots. That is a standard BS response, they're going to try to stall the negs till the very last possible moment. TSA is below industry average on almost every part of the contract. And the most crazy thing about it all is what exactly are they trying to be "competitive in the market" for? They can't even secure flying for which they were the most competitive. They are incompetent. No more lining the pockets of Hulas, industry standard contract or burn it down.
12-05-2009, 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Purpleanga
They can't even secure flying for which they were the most competitive. They are incompetent.
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12-05-2009, 08:53 PM
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the point is a simple one. we have an industry trailing contract. a company with an industry leading pilot contract got the flying. therefore, mismanagement and/or inferior service is the reason we didn't get the flying. (in actuality, it sucks all the way around, because whoever got the flying was taking it from another pilot group, so jobs gained are jobs lost somewhere, but i digress)
this part ****es me off:
"the company is disappointed that the union leadership has decided to take this approach rather than continuing to meet and work through our remaining issues."
cmon, TSA. Its been a year and half since a SECTION was agreed to. The neg.committee has tried to meet with you without the mediator and you refuse. This is nothing more than an effort to make us look bad in the eyes of all the other employees.
this part ****es me off:
"the company is disappointed that the union leadership has decided to take this approach rather than continuing to meet and work through our remaining issues."
cmon, TSA. Its been a year and half since a SECTION was agreed to. The neg.committee has tried to meet with you without the mediator and you refuse. This is nothing more than an effort to make us look bad in the eyes of all the other employees.
12-05-2009, 09:01 PM
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"We firmly believe that ALPA’s request is not the best way to bring our negotiations to a conclusion."
Translation: It's the best way to bring negotiations to a conclusion.
"The request to the NMB of a proffer does not carry any special significance to the negotiating process"
Translation: It carriers special significance to the negotiating process.
Translation: It's the best way to bring negotiations to a conclusion.
"The request to the NMB of a proffer does not carry any special significance to the negotiating process"
Translation: It carriers special significance to the negotiating process.
12-05-2009, 10:40 PM
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So, now that the request is in, how long do we have to wait to hear something?
I know the company has to reply to the NMB in the next few weeks in regards to how they 'feel' about ALPA's request......ok, so how long after that? And does the way the company feels/replies have anything to do with the NMB growing a pair and giving us our request?
On a side note.... once hulas found out he could only lease the 145s for 7 years, does anyone think he tried to get a 5 year lease on some CR7s for Gojet instead?
I know the company has to reply to the NMB in the next few weeks in regards to how they 'feel' about ALPA's request......ok, so how long after that? And does the way the company feels/replies have anything to do with the NMB growing a pair and giving us our request?
On a side note.... once hulas found out he could only lease the 145s for 7 years, does anyone think he tried to get a 5 year lease on some CR7s for Gojet instead?
12-06-2009, 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Airsupport
We put in for a proffer a little over a year ago here at pinnacle. It will be 6 years in may.
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