thowe21

its funny how when you leave a company because it sucks more than anything else, along with 100 other first officers, there is always some other kid out of flight school to pick up the flying have fun getting abused!!

flynavyj

always

freezingflyboy

Its not neccesary to put words into my mouth. I am of the opinion that it would be a very rare occurance for someone with all of 500 hours to have the range of experience that would make them a well rounded pilot who can effectively contribute in a crew environment. I agree 100% that quality trumps quantity any day of the week. But the fact of the matter is that unless you spent all of that 500 hours dancing your way around thunderstorms, finding out why your airplane was not certified for flight into icing and pushing the limits on your skill and ability in challenging crosswinds, crappy ATC vectors and tough approaches then you simply lack the quality of flight time you need to be a truly valuable member of the team. And I dont want to hear anything about simulated emergencies or tough approaches you did in the sim. Once youve watched a prop stop moving at 400 feet as you go missed FOR REAL or flown an approach at full power because thats what you needed to keep the airplane in the air with an inch of ice on it FOR REAL, then you will know the true meaning of "pucker factor". Thats where you seperate the men from the boys. Some people handle emergencies great in a sim or with an instructor but when they are in the hot seat for real, they freeze up. Seen it happen. *steps off the soap box* OK guys, flame on.

Koolaidman

Good luck at TSA! I enjoyed it the FLYING but the company bs and completely negative attitude towards the company makes it difficult to come to work sometimes.

What is up with the guy who went to Go Jet(sell out)? Are you really doing six day trips with the seventh in a hotel? Just curious as everyone as Trans States thinks that is happening and I haven't been able to confirm it.

freezingflyboy

Seems like the GoJets crowd are a pretty quiet bunch around here. Wonder if its out of shame or if they had to pawn the computer to buy groceries...

flynavyj

on the 500 hr thing, I've learned a lot since i began instructing, at which point i had about 300TT. On the other side of that coin however, i had most of my "experiences" prior to that 300TT. A good chunk of it came from my commercial x-country flying and going along w/ friends while they were doing their x/c work. Had several "scary" situations which as far as i'm concerned made me a better instructor. Many of my students that i had this summer however hadn't had these experiences, and flying around missouri during the summer time is simply guarenteeing you're going to see a thunderstorm, or two, or three, or...everytime you go fly. Those students got to learn a lot about weather avoidence, and planning this summer, which, as many stated, had i not been there, they wouldn't have been flying.

I don't think there's a magical number that guarentee's the experiences necessary for the airline world. Maybe coming from an aviation university where you got to practice CRM, and have experience with flying on your "off days" is good, maybe not, maybe it should lower the standards, maybe not. But it's definately beneficial for people to learn that flying isn't always done on beautiful clear days with calm winds, and you don't always "want to fly" when you "have to fly".

Koolaidman

I just wish I could get the story straight about what goes on at Go Jet. I am sure they know what they would have to deal with if they posted stuff on here and that is why they don't come on. I guess if they had some justification on their decision then people probably wouldn't be so upset with the situation. Then again, I don't how many people care either???

G-Dog

The problem is that many people do not know the story of GoJet. You know what is sad, GoJet or no GoJet, that flying would be done by someone. We all keep hearing many sides to this story, but how much is true?

freezingflyboy

They had to pawn their computers to supplement their foodstamps.

aussieflyboy

G-Dog I think you're right. I know the subject of scabs is inflammatory to alot of people, and it's far from my intention to stir the pot for people on either side of the debate, but I recently crossed paths with a guy who's a CRJ captain with GoJet.

He was saying some things about the airline pilots who were on strike being led by the captains who were demanding more money because they didn't like the contract they had recieved. The problem was though, that the first officers were being held to ransom a little bit by those same captains, whereas most of them would not have been hit too hard by the new contract. Alot of FO's lost lost their flying jobs against their will, he explained to me.

I don't know the story very well, but I think G-dog's on the money when he says that it'd be good to hear a few different sides of the story from some of the different players involved to find out what went down there. Maybe we'd see they're not villains at all?? Maybe not??