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Old 12-06-2014, 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by PilotCrusader View Post
Compass is a better airline all around. TSA has always been where you go if you have a felony, DUI, or busted out somewhere else.
I'm sure you're a real joy to fly with. Close to retirement and trolling a regional thread on a weekend.
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Old 12-06-2014, 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by PilotCrusader View Post
Compass is a better airline all around. TSA has always been where you go if you have a felony, DUI, or busted out somewhere else.
Crusader you are old, crusty and hilarious. Your information is as dated as you are. TSA is a completely different place than it has been in the past. Largely because the DO that made it such a horrible place to work is gone (to Compass which makes your comment about Compass and TSA even more funny) and has been replaced by a former chief pilot at Comair, Keith Stamper. Stamper has slowly remade TSA into a good place to work that is well managed. He has slowly replaced the old school TSA people with Comair managment that has been turning TSA around.

I've been around too, and I can say TSA is a good place to work. Are there things that could make it better? Yes and a lot of the Chief Pilots here and Stamper are working hard to make it a desirable place to work.

Nice try Crusader, but the company is ahead of projections on the CQFOs and is having no problem filling them. Have a nice day.

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Old 12-06-2014, 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyingKat View Post
Crusader you are old, crusty and hilarious. Your information is as dated as you are. TSA is a completely different place than it has been in the past. Largely because the DO that made it such a horrible place to work is gone (to Compass which makes your comment about Compass and TSA even more funny) and has been replaced by a former chief pilot at Comair, Keith Stamper. Stamper has slowly remade TSA into a good place to work that is well managed. He has slowly replaced the old school TSA people with Comair managment that has been turning TSA around.



I've been around too, and I can say TSA is a good place to work. Are there things that could make it better? Yes and a lot of the Chief Pilots here and Stamper are working hard to make it a desirable place to work.



Nice try Crusader, but the company is ahead of projections on the CQFOs and is having no problem filling them. Have a nice day.

I cannot blame Crusader for having those opinions as TSA was known as a bottom feeder for a long time. Many recommended not going to tsa - they didn't have the updated info about new management and dumping off certain individuals to compass. TSA is this industry's new best kept secret...no one knows that it's actually a decent place to work with a good contract. If people want to sit right seat at RAH, a place where people are actively leaving CURRENTLY, let them. Compass and TSA are both great places, but the deal breaker for any east coaster would be the fabulous commute to LAX.
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Old 12-06-2014, 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy View Post

As far as COEX, the analogy is still accurate. You still have pilots flying formerly mainline routes for a fraction of the pay. How it got there doesn't matter because now you're a 3rd party subcontractors just like everyone else.
It is not accurate at all! COEX was created by CAL. There was no "stealing" of aircraft or flying. If you call that stealing, then you are saying that TSA and every other regional that has ever existed has "stolen" flying from mainline.



Originally Posted by PropSlave View Post
Hey Guys,

Hate to interrupt.

Could a TSA guy PM me a copy of your contract or provide a link? Thanks!

Also, the APC rundown on TSA shows capt pay as 59 first year, 61 second year. Is that up to date? It seems like its OBE.

Also, FlyingKat, please check your PMs!
I'd like to have a copy of the TSA contract as well, since no one wants to take the time to post about the items I don't have information on. Thanks.



Originally Posted by CBreezy View Post
Maybe you should retire. Haha. You clearly have no idea the current state of the industry. Compass DO is a guy who was "fired" from TSA and the RAH contract is nowhere near the TSA one.

Was that before or after TSH bought compass?
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Old 12-06-2014, 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Nevets View Post
It is not accurate at all! COEX was created by CAL. There was no "stealing" of aircraft or flying. If you call that stealing, then you are saying that TSA and every other regional that has ever existed has "stolen" flying from mainline.





I'd like to have a copy of the TSA contract as well, since no one wants to take the time to post about the items I don't have information on. Thanks.






Was that before or after TSH bought compass?
That is exactly what I'm saying.

People have answered your questions numerous times. Why do you care so much? Will you sleep better at night knowing your contract is better?

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Old 12-06-2014, 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Nevets View Post
It is not accurate at all! COEX was created by CAL. There was no "stealing" of aircraft or flying. If you call that stealing, then you are saying that TSA and every other regional that has ever existed has "stolen" flying from mainline.





I'd like to have a copy of the TSA contract as well, since no one wants to take the time to post about the items I don't have information on. Thanks.






Was that before or after TSH bought compass?
I would send you a contract if you actual had interest in coming here. You just want it so you can point out how superior your soon to be out of business airline's contract is.
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Old 12-06-2014, 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy View Post
That is exactly what I'm saying.

People have answered your questions numerous times. Why do you care so much? Will you sleep better at night knowing your contract is better?

No have not gotten those answers. I've specifically asked about your b plan, your 401k matching, your LTD plan benefits and cost sharing, your health insurance cost sharing. I would also like to confirm your DH pay, uniform allowance, and MMG, and days off, since those are the items that were supposedly out of date in the document I provided.

Why don't you guys just provide the information on those items that are unknown to the rest of us? You seemed so impressed by your own contract. Why are you hiding it?


Originally Posted by Pilottim79 View Post
I would send you a contract if you actual had interest in coming here. You just want it so you can point out how superior your soon to be out of business airline's contract is.

No, I actually don't think the xjt contract is superior. The AWAC contract is probably better and there have been other contracts that have been better. I ask for it because your own TSA pilots have said its above average. I think it's below average. I could be wrong if the times I have no information on are above average.
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Old 12-06-2014, 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Nevets View Post
It is not accurate at all! COEX was created by CAL. There was no "stealing" of aircraft or flying. If you call that stealing, then you are saying that TSA and every other regional that has ever existed has "stolen" flying from mainline.
Obviously you've never worked at mainline. Many mainline employees (particularly old timers) regard the flying perfomed by regionals as stolen from mainline.

It may not be stolen, but it is outsourced work. Companies can move outsourced work wherever they want. If you choose to work where you perform contract, outsourced work you always face the possibility of having someone else out bid you for that contract. That is what happened here. They are churning flying just like ground operations to keep longevity low. If you decided to perform contract, outsourced work long enough sooner or later you will get bitten by this. That is why you should get your time and move on to a non contract, non outsourced situation if you can't deal with this possibility.
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Old 12-06-2014, 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Nevets View Post
No have not gotten those answers. I've specifically asked about your b plan, your 401k matching, your LTD plan benefits and cost sharing, your health insurance cost sharing. I would also like to confirm your DH pay, uniform allowance, and MMG, and days off, since those are the items that were supposedly out of date in the document I provided.

Why don't you guys just provide the information on those items that are unknown to the rest of us? You seemed so impressed by your own contract. Why are you hiding it?





No, I actually don't think the xjt contract is superior. The AWAC contract is probably better and there have been other contracts that have been better. I ask for it because your own TSA pilots have said its above average. I think it's below average. I could be wrong if the times I have no information on are above average.
Because, why waste our time? We supply our contract and point out all the little minute parts that are better at your dying airline and that somehow makes you feel better about looking down on us or trying to convince others to not come here.

Look, you have no interest in TSA, fine. Just drop it. Sorry your company lost some planes. Sorry things look good over here. Does that make you feel better?
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Old 12-06-2014, 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Nevets View Post
No have not gotten those answers. I've specifically asked about your b plan, your 401k matching, your LTD plan benefits and cost sharing, your health insurance cost sharing. I would also like to confirm your DH pay, uniform allowance, and MMG, and days off, since those are the items that were supposedly out of date in the document I provided.

Why don't you guys just provide the information on those items that are unknown to the rest of us? You seemed so impressed by your own contract. Why are you hiding it?
I've seen those answers on this board several times. Look them up. Otherwise no one owes you anything. Go rain on the Mesa, PSA, RAH, GLA, and CommutAir boards for awhile and pull out your 4 inch contract to show how awesome you are.
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