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Old 08-30-2015, 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy View Post
Voting no on a contract doesn't necessarily give them leverage. It's okay to vote yes for the first time on a contract proposal. The union has been working on this since January of last year. Just because you vote no doesn't automatically guarantee a better deal.
Well this isn't my first rodeo on voting for a contract, and EVERY time I have been involved with this the first offer was voted down, and the second tweaked offer passed easily.

Let me be clear, I'm not saying if I will vote one way or the other, nor am I advocating for voting either way. I've been through enough of these that I don't feel right telling someone else what to do with their economic future.

However, to say all will be doom and gloom if this is rejected is just incorrect.
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Old 08-30-2015, 10:24 AM
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However, to say all will be doom and gloom if this is rejected is just incorrect.
His statements just shows how little experience and/or knowledge he has regarding negotiations. Either clueless or management.. And he firmly says he is not management... So that leaves one option.
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Old 08-30-2015, 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by 108dash3 View Post
Hey look everybody! Frank Lorenzo Jr. would probably give up his entire paycheck just to fly an average 50 seater.(you were probably still dragging around a sh1tty diaper in 1989, but you should read up on Mr. Lorenzo to get this reference. Hint: he busted labor unions for their pay.)You need to start relating with who you really are at this company: labor.
For someone with an education behind glass on your 'I love ME' wall wherever you live, you're pretty dumb when it comes to labor/management relations. And yes, so is our MEC. I voted for negotiation, not extension. You see, I didn't jump ship from anywhere. I've lived my life and my path brought me to TSA, for which I'm not complaining. It was my choice and this very opportunity we have at our feet is why. I have plenty of airline experience to back it up. This is a good place to be right now, but I will never settle for 'above average' and neither should you. Or ANY of you. We are professionals and now is the time to stand up and make change here. Let's open up the pockets of this company's notorious tight ways and actually get FAIR compensation. Not settle for above average in a below average industry. Breezy, either this is the only place you've ever worked and don't know any better, or you just don't know any better. You are the minority and I hope this mature pilot group proves me right when we vote.
I agree with this^^ 100%.
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Old 08-30-2015, 10:30 AM
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Hey look everybody! Frank Lorenzo Jr. would probably give up his entire paycheck just to fly an average 50 seater.(you were probably still dragging around a sh1tty diaper in 1989, but you should read up on Mr. Lorenzo to get this reference. Hint: he busted labor unions for their pay.)You need to start relating with who you really are at this company: labor.
For someone with an education behind glass on your 'I love ME' wall wherever you live, you're pretty dumb when it comes to labor/management relations. And yes, so is our MEC. I voted for negotiation, not extension. You see, I didn't jump ship from anywhere. I've lived my life and my path brought me to TSA, for which I'm not complaining. It was my choice and this very opportunity we have at our feet is why. I have plenty of airline experience to back it up. This is a good place to be right now, but I will never settle for 'above average' and neither should you. Or ANY of you. We are professionals and now is the time to stand up and make change here. Let's open up the pockets of this company's notorious tight ways and actually get FAIR compensation. Not settle for above average in a below average industry. Breezy, either this is the only place you've ever worked and don't know any better, or you just don't know any better. You are the minority and I hope this mature pilot group proves me right when we vote.
Listen, you can go home to your three cats and ugly kids and say your rah rah speech to them. I'm not the minority. Most of the pilots wanted an extension with marginal gains. Call your rep. Ask him what the results were like I did. If you had any brains at all, or any kind of critical thinking skills, you'd know that how negotiating in an airline environment works. We have to compare our contracts to the other carriers within our industry because that's the only way to generate true leverage. You really think the company would flinch and shrinking this thing down to nothing versus paying whatever you're asking for? Some arbitrary number only you, king of bad decisions, has made? What is it? Captains start at $120/hr and FOs at $50? You're a joke.

Also, I was plenty old enough in 1989 to know about union busting and Frank. I've read the books. I've studied the circumstances. You can insult me all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that this is the world we live in. Your peers wanted your MEC to get an extension and that's what they did. If you didn't like it, recall your reps. If you've been around since the Frank Lorenzo days, it must be really nice to be making close to $100,000 a year while your FOs can't afford lunch.
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Old 08-30-2015, 10:47 AM
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I don't care what the pilot group WANTED several months ago. It's about what they could have going forward and this TA is not good enough for the Waterskiers. Why are you so insistent on abiding by regional standards? Ask your wife if you can take your balls out and play with them for a few minutes and actually think about your answer. And for fuks' sake stand up for yourself and the hard work you and me and ALL of us have put into this industry. Think macro for a change. Stop comparing us to Mesa of Gojetz. Go read the Delta TA thread or the FedEx TA thread. Real men over there.
And I guess having no knowledge of Texas Air, People Express, CAL and TXI, I'm a dumbass when it comes to airline negotiations. I have retired CAL in my bloodline. Don't tell me I'm the dumbass.
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Old 08-30-2015, 11:01 AM
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I don't care what the pilot group WANTED several months ago. It's about what they could have going forward and this TA is not good enough for the Waterskiers. Why are you so insistent on abiding by regional standards? Ask your wife if you can take your balls out and play with them for a few minutes and actually think about your answer. And for fuks' sake stand up for yourself and the hard work you and me and ALL of us have put into this industry. Think macro for a change. Stop comparing us to Mesa of Gojetz. Go read the Delta TA thread or the FedEx TA thread. Real men over there.
And I guess having no knowledge of Texas Air, People Express, CAL and TXI, I'm a dumbass when it comes to airline negotiations. I have retired CAL in my bloodline. Don't tell me I'm the dumbass.
Listen man, all ridiculous insults and trolling aside, I would love to get major gains on this contract. I'd love to be making 10-20% more as a Captain year over year. I'd love to have vision, dental, and medical at almost no charge. There are lots of things I wish this company would do but I know they won't. Just like I don't expect Walmart to start paying like Costco, I don't expect Trans States to start paying like Jet Blue. I just don't think it will happen. That, and your MEC can only act on what guidance was given. The pilot groups wanted something and they have fullfilled that promise. It does matter what they wanted. It's the only way to know that they are representing the wishes of their constituents.

When looking at the macro picture and what is happening at other regional properties, I just don't think we have the leverage that we all think we do. Mesa, by far the worst contract for RJ operators, is still filling classes. Why? Even more insulting, their union just sent them a concessionary contract or so I've heard. We don't hold a gun to the company's head. Hulas is getting old. Don't think for a second he hasn't thought about cashing in when things start to get rough around here.
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Old 08-30-2015, 11:30 AM
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Thank you for a reply I know you're capable of. At least you're a little closer to the fence now. Look, fuel is cheap and so is the 145 to operate. Our overhead is low right now with the amount of flying and the very junior pilot group. Hulas and his lawyers aren't losing any sleep over cash flow at TSA right now. And I'm willing to bet my left leg he has plans in place to have all of Holdings operate normally in the event of sudden death and a successor already lined up. This puts us, the labor group- the heart and life blood of this place, in a position to share in the good fortune and prove to our brothers and sisters it can be done. TSA had balls once and it went sour - real sour. The management team leveraged this company to get this additional flying and there's no way they'd turn their backs on us like they did a decade ago. I agree that we'll never see JB pay, but we could also turn this ship downwind and really do ourselves and the entire industry a favor. The regional model is dead and it's costing our peers flying and jobs. Let's make TSA THE place to work and put that MRJ language to use by proving to mainline we are worthy.

We need proper crew utilization and lines, not PBS. We need to set a new standard of pay that gets guys in the door and earning a livable wage while biding their time. This includes EVERYBODY on the list. No flow and a promise of a bigger airplane isn't going to get it done. We need happy crews. Crews that are happy to come to work, happy at work and happy at home on their days off. This has been lacking as of late. And threats of PBS implementation and negotiation strife from KS aren't helping.
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Old 08-30-2015, 11:40 AM
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And threats of PBS implementation and negotiation strife from KS aren't helping.
Where did you hear this?
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Old 08-30-2015, 12:10 PM
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Can someone post a copy of the TA or at least some bullet points?
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Old 08-30-2015, 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Coneydog View Post
I agree with this^^ 100%.
CBreezy is a person who would (will) do anything to become management. His statements prove he's on the side of management and he sees himself as being "above" & smarter than everyone else. Perfect Hulas management material. Good luck with the vote however it turns out.
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