vaporlock1215

It's worth voting down to get something better that status quo, which is pretty much what this extension is. Get some qol improvements in the contract, better pay, a signing bonus better than a few hundred bucks after taxes (pathetic), and Then get something out of the pbs negotiations.

Nevets

Which is why I specifically said that it was increasing economic value, not that there aren't any concessionary items here or there. But overall, it's an economic improvement from current book.

AWAC's health insurance premium are going from 25% to 27%. Still second only to xjt. That's the only concessionary item and therefore the entire TA is an economic improvement. As for Mesa, it's still a slight economic increase as is Skywest's 'contract.' They may be lower tiered contracts, no doubt, but the point I was making to you was that these were not concessionary TA's as you asserted everyone was getting.


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FlyingKat

So when every other airline matches this starting pay raise (Republic has already indicated they want to go to $40/hr) and raises with a bonus we won't? Remember when Ox said two years ago we aren't worried about staffing and the company would NEVER pay a bonus? The bonus is being paid because the market is demanding it, not because the company wants to do it. There is nothing now, or in the near future to indicate any changes to this dynamic.

Do you honestly think they put this TA on the table just because they are a bunch of nice guys? This offer is driven by the need to staff the company, which will not change if this is voted down. KS is a great guy, but not above trying to get a feather in his cap with Hulas by getting a good deal for the company, and this TA is a very good deal for the company.

Like I said if you think this TA is a good enough deal for you economically, vote for it. If you think a better deal is out there then vote against it. But don't let some irrational fear that the company is going to take its toys and go home for 6 years due to a no vote intimidate you. It isn't realistic. Management always predicts gloom and doom if their offer isn't passed. It is called negotiation 101.

As I said in a previous post, if they had offered a $5-$7,000 bonus with a 1% pay raise for Captains then this TA would have passed easily, but all they are after is 50%+1 and this offer is all about seeing where that is. If it is voted down the company will come up with something better, based on where they think they need to be to get to 50%+1.

minimwage4

Exactly about the 50%+1. If this gets passed by a wide margin then the company has not done their job. We only get what we negotiate, not what we deserve. Every company gives you the doom and gloom scenario, and pilots fall for it EVERY time even though historically what really happens is the company gives the pilots something better and the company proposers. This managemt knows exactly what they're doing and have a lot of experience manipulating labor. They have the new planes, they now have tons of cash. In this climate, they can bill the mainline partners pretty much whatever they want because nobody can do the flying. They will do almost anything to keep the gravy train rolling that's why they wanted to get something done quickly. Like it's been said before, look at the FAs, they are all replaceable that's why they're still trying to negotiate with the company on things pilots have had for years. Why do you suppose that's the case for them but we reached some kind of deal quickly?

TransMISTAKE

New planes??? What the hell are you talking about?? We don't have any new planes. All we have are beaten up/**** stained flying outhouses.. The ones we got form Eagle and ExpressJet are now in the worst shape ever. Multiple MELs, its ridiculous... If anyone votes yes on this TA, they're a sucker..

CBreezy

As much of a sucker as you were for paying money for that education you supposedly received?

TransMISTAKE

I didn't pay a dime.. Your MOM put me through school..

ILOVELAMP

How about that RSV grid!??

TransMISTAKE

Yep, it seems NO ONE wants to work here anymore... Unbelievable, I've never seen this amount of movement...

CBreezy

That's what it looked like in winter of 2013-14