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CBreezy 07-07-2016 10:27 AM


Originally Posted by Riverside (Post 2157514)
12 are sitting there and all the 840's are covered is what I meant to type.

Yes, there are 3 or 4 going through major maintenance (stripped to the shell) and 3 or 4 going through routine maintenance. You didn't think every single airplane on the cert flies every day, right? 6-7 airplanes undergoing various phases of checks isn't that odd, I don't think.

NeverHome 07-07-2016 02:35 PM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 2157425)
It's not a new era of aviation. This is the same old era. The pilot shortage could be wiped out in an instant with the right business plan. Anyone who believes that home-basing is even remotely an option at any and all 121 airlines is delusional.

You dont think were entering a new era? Okay. When else in history has airlines offered between 5 and 10 thousand dollar sign on bonus? When else in history has the number of applicants been so poor?

I am aware that the words "pilot shortage" has been around for a long time. Im also aware that we certainly have enough pilots out there to fill every regional seat and then some. Soooo why are we unable to attract applicants? Especially when there was a time when applicants would have been willing to pay big $$$$ to work at a regional. What changed?

To my eyes we are most certainly transitioning to a new phase (era) in aviation history. The reasons are most certainly debatable. But I certainly believe we are entering a change. How it will all shake out is anybodys guess.

Of course, for the sport of it, I would love to hear an alternate line of thinking that accounts for the facts. After all, isnt that half the fun of an anonymous internet forum? :cool:

100LL 07-07-2016 03:36 PM

Yeah that airline home basing thing won't work ever. But what might is the schedule. Where I work now, not an airline, people have quit to take on other flying opportunities with a pay cut because the schedule was better. Would be nice to see a 7 on 7 off type of deal like net jets. Except you'd begin and end your trip at your domicile. Would make regionals a little more attractive to work for.

buddies8 07-07-2016 04:00 PM

7 on 7 off and you support that, well sorry but you are way wrong on this one maverick.

Bellanca 07-07-2016 08:55 PM

I've heard rumors that delta is looking into a sort of home basing. Not straight up home basing like netjets, Atlas, etc., but where you could live at a limited number of hub and high volume airports vs only the current domiciles. This would for example open up airports like ORD, MCO, LAS, DCA/BWI as available "home - basing" domiciles, in addition to Delta's current domiciles.

This may all be a pipe-dream, and we aren't delta. Though this could be the future of the industry. I could see where having lines built around airports like IAH, LGA, CLE, PIT being possible. Especially with a combination of PBS and a decent pairing generator. (We obviously have neither at this time) It would take airlines like Delta and United being on board with this type of basing structure, and other regionals doing this as well before it would trickle down to Trans States.

blackbox348 07-08-2016 03:19 PM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 2157453)
You can't possibly be comparing blocking out hotel rooms in domicile at a nominal price to a positive space ticket from your home of record to your domicile, most times not even on your own airplanes. You really think the code share partners would allow anyone, even themselves, to lose revenue every time a pilot needs to show up to work? Please explain how that's even remotely feasible.

You're right, that wouldn't be feasible. I commute...If there's no open seats, no problem. I just call commuter clause pretty much every trip and get positive spaced to work. How's that for home basing? Have you flown on United lately? Have you seen an empty seat? Also we don't get commuter hotels, that's just another carrot dangled in front of us to pass their precious PBS. Forget getting that free standing, it had to be tied to some sh*t that nobody wants except the scheduling committee. But in order for us to make up for the piece of work contract we extended, we have to vote in PBS...an LOA that potentially brings more to the table than the MEC could ever negotiate with the contract.

CBreezy 07-08-2016 04:17 PM


Originally Posted by blackbox348 (Post 2158286)
You're right, that wouldn't be feasible. I commute...If there's no open seats, no problem. I just call commuter clause pretty much every trip and get positive spaced to work. How's that for home basing? Have you flown on United lately? Have you seen an empty seat? Also we don't get commuter hotels, that's just another carrot dangled in front of us to pass their precious PBS. Forget getting that free standing, it had to be tied to some sh*t that nobody wants except the scheduling committee. But in order for us to make up for the piece of work contract we extended, we have to vote in PBS...an LOA that potentially brings more to the table than the MEC could ever negotiate with the contract.

What on earth are you rambling about? Did you forget your meds today?

DegeReguard 07-09-2016 06:19 AM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 2158326)
What on earth are you rambling about? Did you forget your meds today?

He's talking about how we voted in a weak contract extension,

and how the union planned on pinning all the QOL improvements we wanted with the contract extension instead to the PBS loa thus essentially forcing us to vote yes to pbs in order to get the other qol stuff we should have like min day and commuter hotels or just not get anything at all.

RgrMurdock 07-09-2016 06:53 AM

And you'd still be negotiating today on that contract

DegeReguard 07-09-2016 07:20 AM


Originally Posted by RgrMurdock (Post 2158609)
And you'd still be negotiating today on that contract


I understand that. The union's strategy was that the company wanted pbs bad and so would be willing to agree to more on the pbs loa than they would have on the contract extension.

However, understand that instead we got cheaper healthcare and the fo's got a slightly higher pay scale but otherwise we are still negotiating on everything anyway. Or rather, we aren't because the company is "not interested in going back to the table at this time"

so i'm failing to see how this is much different than if we were still negotiating on the extension. Hasn't had any effect on my life at all.


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