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06-08-2017, 05:18 AM
#11
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Originally Posted by Route66
If unions are to survive, the ONLY way they will is if they are willing to accept accessment from outside and revise their business model. That will be when pigs fly, because the money is where their power is. Managing principles is where the power is. NOT THE MONEY.
06-08-2017, 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by HercDriver130
I do have one question however, lets say you were allowed as a non member to not pay dues... thus in my opinion you should NOT be allowed any of the benefits negotiated under your companies CBA...
Why? Because, as you pointed out, they derive all the pay and benefits from the Union negotiated contract. Therefore, they must share the expense of maintaining said contract.
06-08-2017, 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Packrat
For one thing, non-members don't pay dues. They pay a contract agency fee which is generally slightly less than the dues members pay.
Why? Because, as you pointed out, they derive all the pay and benefits from the Union negotiated contract. Therefore, they must share the expense of maintaining said contract.
What most people seem to miss is that without collective bargaining, we'd ALL be working for 10% or more less than current wages. They fail to appreciate the gains that have been clawed out over years of blood, sweat, and tears.
They say ignorance is bliss, and freeloaders must be floating in it.
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06-11-2017, 12:45 PM
#14
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Originally Posted by Packrat
For one thing, non-members don't pay dues. They pay a contract agency fee which is generally slightly less than the dues members pay.
Why? Because, as you pointed out, they derive all the pay and benefits from the Union negotiated contract. Therefore, they must share the expense of maintaining said contract.
Why? Because, as you pointed out, they derive all the pay and benefits from the Union negotiated contract. Therefore, they must share the expense of maintaining said contract.
07-02-2017, 05:50 PM
#15
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Unions protect us from the company, sometimes from each other, and sometimes from ourselves. Freeloaders fall into all of those categories many times.
Route66 would have us believe the choice is getting our current contractual package and paying dues, or our current contractual package and not paying dues. That's wrong.
The choice is between protection (admittedly sometimes flawed) and (almost) no protection. We'd be "at will" employees trying to negotiate individual contracts, and that has never worked out well for the vast majority of labor. The powers behind the RTW movement are the new Frank Lorenzo's of the world. Read "Flying the Line" 1 & 2. They're good reminders of where we've been, and how we got where we are today.
Route66 would have us believe the choice is getting our current contractual package and paying dues, or our current contractual package and not paying dues. That's wrong.
The choice is between protection (admittedly sometimes flawed) and (almost) no protection. We'd be "at will" employees trying to negotiate individual contracts, and that has never worked out well for the vast majority of labor. The powers behind the RTW movement are the new Frank Lorenzo's of the world. Read "Flying the Line" 1 & 2. They're good reminders of where we've been, and how we got where we are today.
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