And so its begun.....
03-15-2017, 05:08 AM
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And so its begun.....
A Bill to preserve and protect the free choice of individual employees to form, join, or assist labor organizations, or to refrain from such activities.
Otherwise known as the National Right to Work Bill is in the House and Senate.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-...-bill/785/text
Introduced by Rep. King of Iowa and Rep. How Wilson of SC. 01Feb2017.
Has 22 cosponsors of 219 needed to pass the House.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-...enate-bill/545
Introduced by Sen. Rand Paul 10Mar2017.
Has 22 senators of 51 needed to pass the Senate.
Eliminates paragraph Eleventh of Railway Labor Act for mandatory union dues.
It WILL be going to the Presidents desk, hopefully this year.
For those of you who do not believe your union is worth spit (like the APA or ALPA) you can keep ALL OF YOUR MONEY. These unions have been crapping on the junior people, the Regionals, OR selectively giving greater seniority "payola" to their CHOSEN FEW for many years. Its time for change.
Otherwise known as the National Right to Work Bill is in the House and Senate.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-...-bill/785/text
Introduced by Rep. King of Iowa and Rep. How Wilson of SC. 01Feb2017.
Has 22 cosponsors of 219 needed to pass the House.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-...enate-bill/545
Introduced by Sen. Rand Paul 10Mar2017.
Has 22 senators of 51 needed to pass the Senate.
Eliminates paragraph Eleventh of Railway Labor Act for mandatory union dues.
It WILL be going to the Presidents desk, hopefully this year.
For those of you who do not believe your union is worth spit (like the APA or ALPA) you can keep ALL OF YOUR MONEY. These unions have been crapping on the junior people, the Regionals, OR selectively giving greater seniority "payola" to their CHOSEN FEW for many years. Its time for change.
03-15-2017, 05:16 AM
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03-15-2017, 05:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Route66
For those of you who do not believe your union is worth spit (like the APA or ALPA) you can keep ALL OF YOUR MONEY. These unions have been crapping on the junior people, the Regionals, OR selectively giving greater seniority "payola" to their CHOSEN FEW for many years. Its time for change.
Good luck to you the next time the company violates your scheduling rules (you won't have any) or you need representation in the event you have an incident/accident (you won't get any).
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03-15-2017, 05:24 AM
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If you think you won't get absolutely bent over by your respective airline with out a union then you are an idiot. And before you quote Skywest, they have the threat of unionization looming over their necks. And they still get pretty screwed with work rules. When do the racist/sexist white men who voted for him realize and/or admit they got bamboozled by a Wall Street shark who cares nothing about the working man? This guy has done this through out his entire career as a business man, it's no shocker that it's happening in the WH too. But hey, we get a 30 billion dollar wall, and a Chinese steel pipeline right? If it wasn't so pathetic it be almost funny.
03-15-2017, 05:28 AM
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Originally Posted by deadseal
If you think you won't get absolutely bent over by your respective airline with out a union then you are an idiot. And before you quote Skywest, they have the threat of unionization looming over their necks. And they still get pretty screwed with work rules. When do the racist/sexist white men who voted for him realize and/or admit they got bamboozled by a Wall Street shark who cares nothing about the working man? This guy has done this through out his entire career as a business man, it's no shocker that it's happening in the WH too. But hey, we get a 30 billion dollar wall, and a Chinese steel pipeline right? If it wasn't so pathetic it be almost funny.
03-15-2017, 05:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Judge Smails
Yeah, and how are we better off if we have no unions? Paying no dues? There's a reason jetBlue unionized from their "labor friendly" management. You are so misguided it's not even funny. You think airline management is looking out for your best interests? I'm not saying unions are perfect, far from it, but they ARE necessary in our industry.
Good luck to you the next time the company violates your scheduling rules (you won't have any) or you need representation in the event you have an incident/accident (you won't get any).
Good luck to you the next time the company violates your scheduling rules (you won't have any) or you need representation in the event you have an incident/accident (you won't get any).
The union damage is soon to be done. Pandoras box is open and there is nothing you can do about it. Ive been in this industry for 40 years and only now are we seeing the fractionalization of unions. The foundational cracks were and are there, but now Norwegian Air is opening the doors, the various pilot groups will be at each others throats even more (as if that already seemed possible before) and the gates are now beginning to open.
Only a national seniority list would have cured this problem when Carter deregulated in Airline Industry. Unionism at the airline level might have had a chance. But greed overcame principle and the flood gates are opening. So don't preach to me about your "righteous" cause. Go complain to your union rep. You know, the one who has NO power to do anything.
BTW, my schedules are just fine.
03-15-2017, 05:54 AM
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Sounds like Rt66 is an Anti-Union, management troll. Crawl back into your gutter from which you came.
03-15-2017, 05:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Route66
This thread is for the "silent" minority who agree with me. From just the responses I've seen so far, this thread is going to be a doozie. No matter.
The union damage is soon to be done. Pandoras box is open and there is nothing you can do about it. Ive been in this industry for 40 years and only now are we seeing the fractionalization of unions. The foundational cracks were and are there, but now Norwegian Air is opening the doors, the various pilot groups will be at each others throats even more (as if that already seemed possible before) and the gates are now beginning to open.
Only a national seniority list would have cured this problem when Carter deregulated in Airline Industry. Unionism at the airline level might have had a chance. But greed overcame principle and the flood gates are opening. So don't preach to me about your "righteous" cause. Go complain to your union rep. You know, the one who has NO power to do anything.
BTW, my schedules are just fine.
The union damage is soon to be done. Pandoras box is open and there is nothing you can do about it. Ive been in this industry for 40 years and only now are we seeing the fractionalization of unions. The foundational cracks were and are there, but now Norwegian Air is opening the doors, the various pilot groups will be at each others throats even more (as if that already seemed possible before) and the gates are now beginning to open.
Only a national seniority list would have cured this problem when Carter deregulated in Airline Industry. Unionism at the airline level might have had a chance. But greed overcame principle and the flood gates are opening. So don't preach to me about your "righteous" cause. Go complain to your union rep. You know, the one who has NO power to do anything.
BTW, my schedules are just fine.
Time to step away from the Alex Jones broadcasts.
03-15-2017, 06:00 AM
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I love the arseholes who complain about 2% union dues, while raking in substantially more (+30% at least) in pay and benefits than they could possibly get if they were "lone rangers."
Read up on trade guilds and other history of organized labor before you blather on about paying union dues. Maybe one upside of losing union solidarity is that it will someday be much easier to get rid of schittheads like you. (...and to THAT I say "good riddance".)
Read up on trade guilds and other history of organized labor before you blather on about paying union dues. Maybe one upside of losing union solidarity is that it will someday be much easier to get rid of schittheads like you. (...and to THAT I say "good riddance".)
03-15-2017, 06:12 AM
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Ask yourself how many pilot groups have voted to decertify their union and have a "direct relationship" with their management. Then ask yourself how many non-union groups have eventually voted for representation.
I think I see a trend.
(National Seniority List -- yeah that's a fair solution.
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This is an attempt to visit a last death-blow to organized labor in this country. History tells us it won't work out well for the middle class.
I think I see a trend.
(National Seniority List -- yeah that's a fair solution.
)This is an attempt to visit a last death-blow to organized labor in this country. History tells us it won't work out well for the middle class.
