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Old 07-04-2018, 07:19 PM
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This latest ruling is one step toward dismantling that model. While the RLA governs the requirement to represent all covered, by removing themselves from the covered on constitutional grounds, the door opens to remove the requirement for representation. Again, it's an end-run around the RLA, but if the supreme court establishes that an employee is not required to provide dues, it's not far to seek a judgement that the union need not or does not represent, as that's the inference in not paying dues.

Again, slippery slope.
I see your point, but that would require either Congress amends the RLA, NLRA and 80 years of settled law or SCOTUS declares those acts unconstitutional on free association grounds (1st Amendment). Hard to imagine. I see members “free loading” and eventually the union being decertified as the “end run”. Membership in Wisconsin public unions has fallen precipitously since the law was changed there.

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I see your point, but that would require either Congress amends the RLA, NLRA and 80 years of settled law or SCOTUS declares those acts unconstitutional on free association grounds (1st Amendment). Hard to imagine. I see members “free loading” and eventually the union being decertified as the “end run”. Membership in Wisconsin public unions has fallen precipitously since the law was changed there.

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Yes, this is not relevant to private-sector unions. The fundamental basis of the decision was first amendment which applies only to the government.

Opening up RLA in congress would be a big can of worms (for either side). If conservative interests go there now, congress might flip before it gets done, producing a possible windfall for labor. It's too unpredictable, neither side would likely risk going there unless they were certain the outcome would be in their favor.

Also... while Trump is no friend of big government and civil slackers, he's making political hay by advocating for dis-affected private sector workers, so it might not be in his (or his allies) interests to perform a direct frontal assault on private sector organized labor. There will be brush fires, but I don't think the administration will go there at the national level. Hillary hosed herself in part because she blew off labor.
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Old 07-05-2018, 03:16 AM
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Yes, this is not relevant to private-sector unions. The fundamental basis of the decision was first amendment which applies only to the government.
So? One step at a time, and whatever argument is needed will be made. All four of the R's and undoubtedly the next justice on the SCOTUS have come through the right wing training grounds that hate unions and want to once and for all demolish the New Deal. If you don't think private unions are next then I think you are wishfully thinking.
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Old 07-05-2018, 08:50 AM
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Public unions’ speech has an inherent political aspect, the union and members are bargaining with...politicians. In private sector unions, one, you’re not dealing with politicians but enterprises that answer to stockholders and; two, there’s no expectation of government abridging your speech rights.

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Old 07-05-2018, 09:05 PM
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So? One step at a time, and whatever argument is needed will be made. All four of the R's and undoubtedly the next justice on the SCOTUS have come through the right wing training grounds that hate unions and want to once and for all demolish the New Deal. If you don't think private unions are next then I think you are wishfully thinking.
I'm sure they'd like to try but they won't be using this particular argument, that's all.
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I'm sure they'd like to try but they won't be using this particular argument, that's all.
Try? The far right will have the SCOTUS locked up in a matter of months. Saying they won't use the same argument is about as useful as tits on a bull.
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Try? The far right will have the SCOTUS locked up in a matter of months. Saying they won't use the same argument is about as useful as tits on a bull.
Good. 30 years or more.
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Good. 30 years or more.
Ah yes... nothing like having a bunch of Ivy League educated white men handpicked by corporate interests overruling the voice of the American people for decades.
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Ah yes... nothing like having a bunch of Ivy League educated white men handpicked by corporate interests overruling the voice of the American people for decades.
The Ivy League provides automatic diversity of opinion, because Harvard and Yale graduates don’t agree on anything.
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Ah yes... nothing like having a bunch of Ivy League educated white men handpicked by corporate interests overruling the voice of the American people for decades.
I guess you'd be happy with more "wise latinas".
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