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Old 01-31-2019, 09:33 AM   #31  
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Your the same kind of guy that believes his government exists for the people. HA let’s talk about reality now! I would certainly hope you don’t get yourself into a big situation banking on that ‘union representation’ to bail ya out! I feel for your mislead kind.

But hey this is why nothing will ever change in this country or industry. There’s just too many ignorant flying sheep up there to shoot down and the union heads love them sheep!
If you despise collective bargaining so much, why not find a non-union or corporate job? You're individualism and non-"sheepishness" will surely be rewarded with better pay and working conditions.
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If you despise collective bargaining so much, why not find a non-union or corporate job? You're individualism and non-"sheepishness" will surely be rewarded with better pay and working conditions.
I don’t despise collective bargaining, I love my contract I work under. There’s no way around it in the airline industry. I can’t demonstrate that I’m a better worker than you with the goal of more compensation by flying airplanes, hence the seniority system.

I’ve worked for a non-union electrical company and my personal effort earned myself far better compensation than what the IBEW was advertising. So yes my individualism did pay off. But again it doesn’t work this way as a pilot.

What do I have a against unions? They’re fake nowadays. They worked for the benefit of their members way in the past, but now like everywhere else that has a constant feed of money flowing in, corruption takes over. I just happen to be one that cares where my money taken out of my pay ends up.
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What do I have a against unions? They’re fake nowadays. They worked for the benefit of their members way in the past, but now like everywhere else that has a constant feed of money flowing in, corruption takes over. I just happen to be one that cares where my money taken out of my pay ends up.
If unions are "fake," why do they deliver results for their membership?

Why do pilot groups consistently vote them in? (If you have an example of a pilot group voting out a union without a replacement I'd be very curious to hear about it.)

Why are pay and working conditions better at union airlines? Why do legacy/FDX/UPS/SWA pilots make more than corporate pilots?

I'd also be curious to hear about this "corruption" in pilot unions.
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Your the same kind of guy that believes his government exists for the people. But hey this is why nothing will ever change in this country or industry.
Whoa. Judging from how easily distracted you are from the actual subject I’d bet a that your issues are much more diffuse. You might want to turn off Fox & Rush, delete Drudge and get a hobby.

Again, best of luck with your issues.
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If unions are "fake," why do they deliver results for their membership?

Why do pilot groups consistently vote them in? (If you have an example of a pilot group voting out a union without a replacement I'd be very curious to hear about it.)

Why are pay and working conditions better at union airlines? Why do legacy/FDX/UPS/SWA pilots make more than corporate pilots?

I'd also be curious to hear about this "corruption" in pilot unions.
Please enlighten me on these “results” they deliver for my membership...

Corruption? Just like in the previous posts, dues going towards congressman that the union heads favor. I’m not sure about you, but I never received my flyer in the mail where I get to elect which and if any of my dues go towards political parties.

Do you trust the ‘elected’ few that negotiate on your behalf? Take a look at the teamsters, they’ve been caught being bought down by the airlines to settle a deal.

Face it, you got sold into a corporation to fight a corporation.......
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Please enlighten me on these “results” they deliver for my membership...
I’ve already listed the results. Do you think pay and working conditions at union legacy airlines are better than non-union corporate flight departments because of altruistic management?

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Corruption? Just like in the previous posts, dues going towards congressman that the union heads favor. I’m not sure about you, but I never received my flyer in the mail where I get to elect which and if any of my dues go towards political parties.

Do you trust the ‘elected’ few that negotiate on your behalf? Take a look at the teamsters, they’ve been caught being bought down by the airlines to settle a deal.

Face it, you got sold into a corporation to fight a corporation.......
Union dues cannot be used for political campaigns.

Looking at my paycheck and work rules, I’m quite happy with the way things are working.
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dues going towards congressman that the union heads favor.
Wrong again. Do you ever tire of being wrong? Maybe you don't like democratic institutions. ALPA-PAC contributions are voluntary and dues are not used.


Who decides who the PAC supports?

ALPA-PAC is governed by a Steering Committee, the members of which are all either elected by ALPA’s Board of Directors (Chairman and Treasurer) or are appointed for a two-year term by ALPA’s President (the National members). The Steering Committee approves all expenses from the PAC.

The ALPA-PAC Steering Committee consists of nine members: the President of ALPA, who serves as Chairman of the Committee, the First Vice President of ALPA, who serves as Treasurer of the Committee, and seven National members (ALPA members in good standing) appointed by the Committee Chairman and approved by the ALPA Executive Council.

MECs can earn seats on the Steering committee by demonstrating a commitment to the PAC. Any MEC whose members account for 15% or more of total PAC receipts over a 2-year period is entitled to a seat. MECs accounting for more than 30% of total receipts are entitled to 2 seats. 2 seats are reserved for smaller carriers to make sure the Steering committee is representative of ALPA’s membership.



And talk about money well spent. The FAA Reauthorization was a home run for pilots. We got everything we wanted except flags of convenience restrictions.
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Wrong again. Do you ever tire of being wrong? Maybe you don't like democratic institutions. ALPA-PAC contributions are voluntary and dues are not used.


Who decides who the PAC supports?

ALPA-PAC is governed by a Steering Committee, the members of which are all either elected by ALPA’s Board of Directors (Chairman and Treasurer) or are appointed for a two-year term by ALPA’s President (the National members). The Steering Committee approves all expenses from the PAC.

The ALPA-PAC Steering Committee consists of nine members: the President of ALPA, who serves as Chairman of the Committee, the First Vice President of ALPA, who serves as Treasurer of the Committee, and seven National members (ALPA members in good standing) appointed by the Committee Chairman and approved by the ALPA Executive Council.

MECs can earn seats on the Steering committee by demonstrating a commitment to the PAC. Any MEC whose members account for 15% or more of total PAC receipts over a 2-year period is entitled to a seat. MECs accounting for more than 30% of total receipts are entitled to 2 seats. 2 seats are reserved for smaller carriers to make sure the Steering committee is representative of ALPA’s membership.



And talk about money well spent. The FAA Reauthorization was a home run for pilots. We got everything we wanted except flags of convenience restrictions.
LMAO is that a statement directly off the ALPA website? Man you are drowning in the propaganda, you need to open your eyes! Critical thinking must have been a struggle in grade school for ya wasn’t it? That’s okay though stay in that bubble of yours, believe everything your told and don’t question anything ever. Life is designed that way and you’re playing along perfectly.

I’ll even help ya out a little. Why don’t you research what your ‘Beck rights’ are. Or maybe why this exists as a law in the first place. It’s just a little push to get ya out of that bubble if you choose.
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Why don’t you research what your ‘Beck rights’ are.
You might want to look up the difference between the NLRB and the NMB and which one applies to airline labor. Sorry, wrong yet again.
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You might want to look up the difference between the NLRB and the NMB and which one applies to airline labor. Sorry, wrong yet again.
This is irrelevant. The Beck case applies to both. As a matter of fact, ALPA was already challenged on this and the courts held in favor against the union.

(Your doing pretty well on the research, but now let’s get a little further than the first result on your google search)
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