ALPA Dues reduction?!
Did I read correctly that ALPA is thinking to go from 1.9% to 1.85%?
If true, WTF?!?!? It should be 1.2% at most and NO bonuses should ever be “taxed”! With these massive increases in salaries ALPA is raking it in and I can’t stand for a Union where, most Pilots I talk to, are conservative and this Union is giving freely to Democrats... again WTF |
Originally Posted by airb320
(Post 2706614)
and this Union is giving freely to Democrats... again WTF
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It was sent out to us by our union a month or so ago. 1.85% on 1JAN20.
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Originally Posted by airb320
(Post 2706614)
Did I read correctly that ALPA is thinking to go from 1.9% to 1.85%?
If true, WTF?!?!? It should be 1.2% at most and NO bonuses should ever be “taxed”! With these massive increases in salaries ALPA is raking it in and I can’t stand for a Union where, most Pilots I talk to, are conservative and this Union is giving freely to Democrats... again WTF |
Originally Posted by 67Creek
(Post 2706678)
Source?
... It’s all readily available |
Originally Posted by airb320
(Post 2706614)
Did I read correctly that ALPA is thinking to go from 1.9% to 1.85%?
If true, WTF?!?!? It should be 1.2% at most and NO bonuses should ever be “taxed”! With these massive increases in salaries ALPA is raking it in and I can’t stand for a Union where, most Pilots I talk to, are conservative and this Union is giving freely to Democrats... again WTF |
Originally Posted by airb320
(Post 2706614)
Did I read correctly that ALPA is thinking to go from 1.9% to 1.85%?
If true, WTF?!?!? It should be 1.2% at most and NO bonuses should ever be “taxed”! With these massive increases in salaries ALPA is raking it in and I can’t stand for a Union where, most Pilots I talk to, are conservative and this Union is giving freely to Democrats... again WTF fbh |
Originally Posted by airb320
(Post 2706614)
Did I read correctly that ALPA is thinking to go from 1.9% to 1.85%?
If true, WTF?!?!? It should be 1.2% at most and NO bonuses should ever be “taxed”! With these massive increases in salaries ALPA is raking it in and I can’t stand for a Union where, most Pilots I talk to, are conservative and this Union is giving freely to Democrats... again WTF And even ALPA PAC is going to very targeted, ie not vomiting cash all over over every lefty cause and agenda in sight, but rather selectively focused on candidates who's are likely or proven to help unions, pilots, and maybe airline aviation. |
Facts?
Where we’re going, we don’t need facts. |
"Well people are saying." It's the new fact source in the era of fake news.
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
(Post 2710399)
"Well people are saying." It's the new fact source in the era of fake news.
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Sometimes I find my Union to be corrupt and generally disgusting. My attitude improves when I see a bunch of company guys in their 50s get replaced with fresh grads at half the pay.
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They’re courting the APA still. It’s been their dream for years now to make the AA pilots ALPA. Reducing the dues to attract them more was part of that plan as far back as 2013. Looks like they’re moving forward on a sales pitch to APA members.....
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Originally Posted by kevbo
(Post 2711274)
Sometimes I find my Union to be corrupt and generally disgusting. My attitude improves when I see a bunch of company guys in their 50s get replaced with fresh grads at half the pay.
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Originally Posted by Cujo665
(Post 2713291)
They’re courting the APA still. It’s been their dream for years now to make the AA pilots ALPA. Reducing the dues to attract them more was part of that plan as far back as 2013. Looks like they’re moving forward on a sales pitch to APA members.....
It's a nightmare of mine... when the APA does something it cheapens the profession... whether it's crappy contracts or freeloading off of ALPA's efforts.. (FAA ReAuth) They [APA] don't even have a code of ethics, which a profession requires. |
Originally Posted by deus ex machina
(Post 2713619)
APA pilots are assessed a higher dues rate too often to justify their lower dues rate. In addition there is something called value and the APA ain't it.
It's a nightmare of mine... when the APA does something it cheapens the profession... whether it's crappy contracts or freeloading off of ALPA's efforts.. (FAA ReAuth) They [APA] don't even have a code of ethics, which a profession requires. |
Originally Posted by Flytolive
(Post 2713320)
Often I find that such nonsense comes from someone who doesn’t have a clue and hates the fact that their chosen profession is dependent on collective bargaining. Fortunately, such selfishness rarely lends itself to any action.
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Originally Posted by frozenboxhauler
(Post 2710291)
Actually ALPA PAC gave 51% to Democrats and 49% to Republicans last year,...but why let facts get in the way of a good story. ;)
fbh |
Originally Posted by airb320
(Post 2706614)
Did I read correctly that ALPA is thinking to go from 1.9% to 1.85%?
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Originally Posted by airb320
(Post 2713929)
51 is more than 49... right? Unless in your “cloudy” World math doesn’t make sense, which wouldn’t surprise me
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Originally Posted by airb320
(Post 2713929)
51 is more than 49... right? Unless in your “cloudy” World math doesn’t make sense, which wouldn’t surprise me
You said... With these massive increases in salaries ALPA is raking it in and I can’t stand for a Union where, most Pilots I talk to, are conservative and this Union is giving freely to Democrats... again WTF The irony is incredible. Many of the high paid ALPA employees are union represented, as their pay is negotiated as part of a CBA. Would you rather the people representing our Union to not be a part of a union? You don’t want their union to be able to negotiate a fair wage for their work? You see the irony of that, being that we are no different when asking for the same with our management counterparts? As for your random 1.2% max union rate and bonuses not subject to dues, since you pulled that from nowhere, it’s not worth discussing. Remember it was your republican representation that axed the union dues tax write off. |
Originally Posted by Ducttape
(Post 2719529)
Your dues don’t go to the PAC, so your “point” is specious.
You said... With these massive increases in salaries ALPA is raking it in and I can’t stand for a Union where, most Pilots I talk to, are conservative and this Union is giving freely to Democrats... again WTF The irony is incredible. Many of the high paid ALPA employees are union represented, as their pay is negotiated as part of a CBA. Would you rather the people representing our Union to not be a part of a union? You don’t want their union to be able to negotiate a fair wage for their work? You see the irony of that, being that we are no different when asking for the same with our management counterparts? As for your random 1.2% max union rate and bonuses not subject to dues, since you pulled that from nowhere, it’s not worth discussing. Remember it was your republican representation that axed the union dues tax write off. |
Originally Posted by frozenboxhauler
(Post 2710291)
Actually ALPA PAC gave 51% to Democrats and 49% to Republicans last year,...but why let facts get in the way of a good story. ;)
fbh I don't like union money, be it dues, or voluntary contributions going to individuals or their campaigns. don't care what party it is. |
Originally Posted by Ducttape
(Post 2719529)
Your dues don’t go to the PAC, so your “point” is specious.
You said... With these massive increases in salaries ALPA is raking it in and I can’t stand for a Union where, most Pilots I talk to, are conservative and this Union is giving freely to Democrats... again WTF The irony is incredible. Many of the high paid ALPA employees are union represented, as their pay is negotiated as part of a CBA. Would you rather the people representing our Union to not be a part of a union? You don’t want their union to be able to negotiate a fair wage for their work? You see the irony of that, being that we are no different when asking for the same with our management counterparts? As for your random 1.2% max union rate and bonuses not subject to dues, since you pulled that from nowhere, it’s not worth discussing. Remember it was your republican representation that axed the union dues tax write off. |
Originally Posted by frozenboxhauler
(Post 2710291)
Actually ALPA PAC gave 51% to Democrats and 49% to Republicans last year,...but why let facts get in the way of a good story. ;)
fbh C’mon boys, this ain’t 1950 anymore. Unions are nothing more than corrupt garbage. I’ll just pretend I didn’t hear that the guys negotiating our work contracts directly affecting our lives are being “paid off” by the airlines themselves. If money is being taken out of my paycheck for non gov reasons, I have a right to know exactly where every penny is going and a ******ing choice to say if I want it to go there or not. The ALPA is just a corporation of workers, for profit, no different than any other corporation. |
Originally Posted by frozenboxhauler
(Post 2710291)
Actually ALPA PAC gave 51% to Democrats and 49% to Republicans last year,...but why let facts get in the way of a good story. ;)
Originally Posted by stabapch
(Post 2753249)
Ha, this couldn’t be further from the truth!
So, it turns out your 'beliefs' "couldn't be further from the truth!" |
Originally Posted by Flytolive
(Post 2753267)
You ought to take your own advice. 48% of ALPA-PAC's 2016 and 45% of ALPA-PAC's 2018 election cycle election contributions were made to Republicans and none of those PAC funds come out of dues.
So, it turns out your 'beliefs' "couldn't be further from the truth!" “None of those PAC funds come out of dues” Sorry to inform you, but this has been debunked years ago through multiple media sources. Unions in the 21st century do not exist solely for their member’s interests. |
Originally Posted by stabapch
(Post 2753535)
LOL my beliefs are outside of union propaganda.
Gotta love low-information 'believers'. Bless your little heart. |
I'm happy with my PAC money spent in the most effective way possible. It's all about ROI, not fairness or a 50-50 split.
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Originally Posted by Flytolive
(Post 2753557)
Actually, your 'beliefs' are outside of reality. Good luck with that and sorry to bother you with the facts that as you say can "research (on) any .gov website."
Gotta love low-information 'believers'. Bless your little heart. But hey this is why nothing will ever change in this country or industry. There’s just too many ignorant flying sheep up there to shoot down and the union heads love them sheep! |
Originally Posted by stabapch
(Post 2753581)
Your the same kind of guy that believes his government exists for the people. HA let’s talk about reality now! I would certainly hope you don’t get yourself into a big situation banking on that ‘union representation’ to bail ya out! I feel for your mislead kind.
But hey this is why nothing will ever change in this country or industry. There’s just too many ignorant flying sheep up there to shoot down and the union heads love them sheep! |
Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
(Post 2753594)
If you despise collective bargaining so much, why not find a non-union or corporate job? You're individualism and non-"sheepishness" will surely be rewarded with better pay and working conditions.
I’ve worked for a non-union electrical company and my personal effort earned myself far better compensation than what the IBEW was advertising. So yes my individualism did pay off. But again it doesn’t work this way as a pilot. What do I have a against unions? They’re fake nowadays. They worked for the benefit of their members way in the past, but now like everywhere else that has a constant feed of money flowing in, corruption takes over. I just happen to be one that cares where my money taken out of my pay ends up. |
Originally Posted by stabapch
(Post 2753622)
What do I have a against unions? They’re fake nowadays. They worked for the benefit of their members way in the past, but now like everywhere else that has a constant feed of money flowing in, corruption takes over. I just happen to be one that cares where my money taken out of my pay ends up.
Why do pilot groups consistently vote them in? (If you have an example of a pilot group voting out a union without a replacement I'd be very curious to hear about it.) Why are pay and working conditions better at union airlines? Why do legacy/FDX/UPS/SWA pilots make more than corporate pilots? I'd also be curious to hear about this "corruption" in pilot unions. |
Originally Posted by stabapch
(Post 2753581)
Your the same kind of guy that believes his government exists for the people. But hey this is why nothing will ever change in this country or industry.
Again, best of luck with your issues. |
Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
(Post 2753631)
If unions are "fake," why do they deliver results for their membership?
Why do pilot groups consistently vote them in? (If you have an example of a pilot group voting out a union without a replacement I'd be very curious to hear about it.) Why are pay and working conditions better at union airlines? Why do legacy/FDX/UPS/SWA pilots make more than corporate pilots? I'd also be curious to hear about this "corruption" in pilot unions. Corruption? Just like in the previous posts, dues going towards congressman that the union heads favor. I’m not sure about you, but I never received my flyer in the mail where I get to elect which and if any of my dues go towards political parties. Do you trust the ‘elected’ few that negotiate on your behalf? Take a look at the teamsters, they’ve been caught being bought down by the airlines to settle a deal. Face it, you got sold into a corporation to fight a corporation....... |
Originally Posted by stabapch
(Post 2753730)
Please enlighten me on these “results” they deliver for my membership...
Originally Posted by stabapch
(Post 2753730)
Corruption? Just like in the previous posts, dues going towards congressman that the union heads favor. I’m not sure about you, but I never received my flyer in the mail where I get to elect which and if any of my dues go towards political parties.
Do you trust the ‘elected’ few that negotiate on your behalf? Take a look at the teamsters, they’ve been caught being bought down by the airlines to settle a deal. Face it, you got sold into a corporation to fight a corporation....... Looking at my paycheck and work rules, I’m quite happy with the way things are working. |
Originally Posted by stabapch
(Post 2753730)
dues going towards congressman that the union heads favor.
Who decides who the PAC supports? ALPA-PAC is governed by a Steering Committee, the members of which are all either elected by ALPA’s Board of Directors (Chairman and Treasurer) or are appointed for a two-year term by ALPA’s President (the National members). The Steering Committee approves all expenses from the PAC. The ALPA-PAC Steering Committee consists of nine members: the President of ALPA, who serves as Chairman of the Committee, the First Vice President of ALPA, who serves as Treasurer of the Committee, and seven National members (ALPA members in good standing) appointed by the Committee Chairman and approved by the ALPA Executive Council. MECs can earn seats on the Steering committee by demonstrating a commitment to the PAC. Any MEC whose members account for 15% or more of total PAC receipts over a 2-year period is entitled to a seat. MECs accounting for more than 30% of total receipts are entitled to 2 seats. 2 seats are reserved for smaller carriers to make sure the Steering committee is representative of ALPA’s membership. And talk about money well spent. The FAA Reauthorization was a home run for pilots. We got everything we wanted except flags of convenience restrictions. |
Originally Posted by Flytolive
(Post 2753764)
Wrong again. Do you ever tire of being wrong? Maybe you don't like democratic institutions. ALPA-PAC contributions are voluntary and dues are not used.
Who decides who the PAC supports? ALPA-PAC is governed by a Steering Committee, the members of which are all either elected by ALPA’s Board of Directors (Chairman and Treasurer) or are appointed for a two-year term by ALPA’s President (the National members). The Steering Committee approves all expenses from the PAC. The ALPA-PAC Steering Committee consists of nine members: the President of ALPA, who serves as Chairman of the Committee, the First Vice President of ALPA, who serves as Treasurer of the Committee, and seven National members (ALPA members in good standing) appointed by the Committee Chairman and approved by the ALPA Executive Council. MECs can earn seats on the Steering committee by demonstrating a commitment to the PAC. Any MEC whose members account for 15% or more of total PAC receipts over a 2-year period is entitled to a seat. MECs accounting for more than 30% of total receipts are entitled to 2 seats. 2 seats are reserved for smaller carriers to make sure the Steering committee is representative of ALPA’s membership. And talk about money well spent. The FAA Reauthorization was a home run for pilots. We got everything we wanted except flags of convenience restrictions. I’ll even help ya out a little. Why don’t you research what your ‘Beck rights’ are. Or maybe why this exists as a law in the first place. It’s just a little push to get ya out of that bubble if you choose. |
Originally Posted by stabapch
(Post 2753805)
Why don’t you research what your ‘Beck rights’ are.
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Originally Posted by Flytolive
(Post 2753807)
You might want to look up the difference between the NLRB and the NMB and which one applies to airline labor. Sorry, wrong yet again.
(Your doing pretty well on the research, but now let’s get a little further than the first result on your google search) |
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