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Old 01-22-2019, 03:19 PM   #1  
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Right-to-work lawsuit seeks to end forced union dues for airline employees.

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Right-to-work lawsuit seeks to end forced union dues for airline employees.
Finally, the other shoe is about to drop.
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Yep. No one should be forced to join a union in order to get a job.
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Yet they’ll gladly work under the pay and benefits that paying union membership negotiated. I’d love to see your salaries without collective bargaining power. What would it be? Maybe 1/3rd of what you make under it?

In any event, if these CSR folks win it’ll tip the balance toward ruining the pilot career and every other unionized group in aviation. The only winner here is upper management. The GOP has been pushing for this a long time.
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Yep. No one should be forced to join a union in order to get a job.
And no one should be allowed to ride the coattails of organizations that negotiate better pay and benefits.

Name one non-union major airline that has better pay and ben ...wait there are no non-union major airlines. I wonder why?
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And no one should be allowed to ride the coattails of organizations that negotiate better pay and benefits.
I don't disagree.

Sometimes unions are good, sometimes they are bad. But workers should have a choice.

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Name one non-union major airline that has better pay and ben ...wait there are no non-union major airlines. I wonder why?
But yet there are plenty of piloting jobs that aren't unionized that pilots are clamoring to get to.
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I don't disagree.

Sometimes unions are good, sometimes they are bad. But workers should have a choice.

But yet there are plenty of piloting jobs that aren't unionized that pilots are clamoring to get to.
Corporate aviation is an excellent example of a non-union, free labor market. Your skills are portable. You negotiate what you can as an individual.

But I wonder why so many corporate guys are clamoring for legacy jobs, where they’d be absorbed into collectivism and shackled by collective bargaining and the seniority system. Hmm.

We’ve gone around this merrygoround before. Good night, Sonicflyer.
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Yep. No one should be forced to join a union in order to get a job.
No one should be forced to pay high taxes, when people making millions more than them, are paying a much lower tax rate.

The second thing can only happen, when there are very few union workers.

Less union workers = more money for the 0.1%.
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But yet there are plenty of piloting jobs that aren't unionized that pilots are clamoring to get to.
Please list those.
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Please list those.
In response only to the question asked here: Factory test pilot. These jobs usually go to retired military test pilots.

In response to the thread in general, nobody has ever said that anybody who objected had to join ALPA, just that there can be no free ride. Everybody must pay the portion of the dues that represents the collective bargaining expenses (specifically including grievance arbitration which is necessary to enforce the contract, and which can be very expensive).

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