Starting a union
01-23-2019, 01:19 PM
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Starting a union
I work for a smallish airline. We are a less than 200 pilot group . We want to unionize. We easily have 10% interest. We have spoken with both ALPA and Teamsters and both said we were too small for them to get involved.
The group got a suggestion to come up with cash for retainer for a labor lawyer and we passed around a hat at work. We got a number of people to commit money for a retainer but haven't had a lawyer bite yet.
Can a member here provide some advice on how to move forward? Has anyone done this before from the start?
The group got a suggestion to come up with cash for retainer for a labor lawyer and we passed around a hat at work. We got a number of people to commit money for a retainer but haven't had a lawyer bite yet.
Can a member here provide some advice on how to move forward? Has anyone done this before from the start?
01-23-2019, 01:24 PM
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We did this at Tradewinds back in 2006/2007.
The Teamsters were happy to have us onboard.
Management was begging us to start a union: Compensation for DH in coach from Miami to Jo’burg on days off was all of $50.00.
Also seen similar movements at Evergreen and Tower Air: Small pilot groups but no problem joining a union.
The Teamsters were happy to have us onboard.
Management was begging us to start a union: Compensation for DH in coach from Miami to Jo’burg on days off was all of $50.00.
Also seen similar movements at Evergreen and Tower Air: Small pilot groups but no problem joining a union.
01-29-2019, 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by unionize
We spoke with Teamsters and they were not interested.
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01-30-2019, 01:27 PM
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Many moons ago, I was at a 135 charter operator and we tried to start a union. We even succeeded in the certification. What did I learn? If you need a union, you need to find another job. It was costly, guys got fired or trashed reputations in the fight for nothing.
They’re great at big 121 lines, at stepping stone operations, move on.
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They’re great at big 121 lines, at stepping stone operations, move on.
Gf
12-14-2020, 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by galaxy flyer
Many moons ago, I was at a 135 charter operator and we tried to start a union. We even succeeded in the certification. What did I learn? If you need a union, you need to find another job. It was costly, guys got fired or trashed reputations in the fight for nothing.
They’re great at big 121 lines, at stepping stone operations, move on.
Gf
They’re great at big 121 lines, at stepping stone operations, move on.
Gf
12-20-2020, 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by galaxy flyer
Many moons ago, I was at a 135 charter operator and we tried to start a union. We even succeeded in the certification. What did I learn? If you need a union, you need to find another job. It was costly, guys got fired or trashed reputations in the fight for nothing.
They’re great at big 121 lines, at stepping stone operations, move on.
Gf
They’re great at big 121 lines, at stepping stone operations, move on.
Gf
12-20-2020, 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by SocialistPilot
This is bad advice. I was represented by ALPA at a regional with about 300 pilots. Worth every penny, they effectively fought management every step of the way and secured thousands for the pilots in back pay, contract signing bonuses etc. It is my understanding that ALPA represents pilot groups with as little as 50 pilots, though I'm not sure if they represent 135 operations
If you're going independent, probably need ten times that... and the examples I can think of have very high per-capita gross income.
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