What airlines are non union?
 

Hello all! I'm planning to enter this industry in a couple years. I'm wondering what specific companies are not union airlines. I know FlexJet is one, but there must be others. Thanks for your help!

Well... For starters, FlexJet is not an “airline”. Flex is a Part 91K / 135 on-demand air carrier. Are you asking specifically about Part 121 scheduled, domestic airlines that are non-union?

Skywest (OO) is non-union.

You are not better off at the Non Union carriers , your retirement and pay are not protected without a contract , keep that in mind ........ Unions are a pain but they do have legal contract language , my airline has a Union and the pilot group is the ONLY work group that is Union

Why???????

Wal-Mart is non-union...you could go there and then stay there. Workers in this industry have as much as they do only because they joined a union and have negotiated contracts. If you're thinking you're gonna come in with the anti-union mentality then as I said...try Wal-Mart. I'm sure you'll fit in perfectly there.

How do you know they're anti union?

Besides Skywest most of the non-union outfits are down in a little slice of heaven called 36th street in Miami. Wonderful place. Happy people.:rolleyes:

Even jetBlue voted in ALPA a few years back.

There's a reason.

ALPA:

Our Pilot Groups - ALPA

Teamsters "IBT contracts now cover 43,000 airline industry workers, including mechanics, customer service and ramp agents, stock clerks, dispatch personnel, flight attendants, and pilots." :

https://teamster.org/content-30

Ah, then I misspoke. I'm just looking for piloting jobs in general. Thanks for the clarification!

Skywest is the only significant non-union airline. At the regional level compensation is determined by market forces, not any particular union actions. Regional unions provide some services for a cost, but it's not really significant either way. Whether you should participate for the general enhancement of the profession is up to you.

Other than regionals, you're better off with a union shop as a pilot... the job does not lend itself well to office politics... if that's your style, there are plenty of bottom tier 121, 135, 91k, 91, etc operations where you can get ahead by shmoozing. But the best you'll ever do, unless you're exceptionally lucky, will be less pay for more work than the union major pilots.

WalMart has a truckers union. They were making $65K 25 years ago.

Pretty much only the crappy ones on 36st. MIA
 

In Part 121? Pretty much just the crappy ones on MIA’s 36th Street, AKA, “Corrosion Corner”.:cool:

There, you can experience Pay, QOL, safety, and work rules like its 1993. Kind of a time machine into a sad past in aviation.

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1993? How about 1953. ‘93 wasn’t much different than today.

GF

Big Blue is hiring. Criteria is a little rigorous maybe, and the payback on the training commitment can be a real *****, but they ARE non-union.


https://www.thebalancecareers.com/ho...-pilot-3344536

The Black 1990's
 

:confused:Don't remember the dark days of the 1990's? OK, history lesson:

1991- The Gulf War ends and military does drawdowns and floods the market with thousands of pilots.

1991- Eastern Airlines goes out of business and floods the market with thousands of pilots.

1991- Pan Am goes out of business and floods the market with thousands of pilots.

1992-1994- Nearly every other Major, National, and Regional airline furloughs pilots and they flood the market with thousands more pilots, too.

1994- Regional Airlines, a.k.a "the commuters", that used to hire pilots at 1000 hours TT/100 ME, requirements went up to 1500/500, then 2500/500, 4000/1000, then with the pilot glut required pilots to pay $19,000 for their own training and hotels during training, all for a $16000/yr. job.

It was during this time that pilots were often called "a dime a dozen", and in the lower levels of aviation.."do it or you're fired".:mad: The very bad joke at the time is when one saw a person begging, they would ask "I wonder whose seniority list they are on"... It was during these times that airlines took advantage of pilots and other aviation workers addicted to the aviation "dream", and today in 2019, one of the last bastions of this poor pay, treatment, and QOL in these otherwise bright, happy, and hopeful days in aviation is on NW 36th street at KMIA.

Thus, my quote from my previous post.. "There, you can experience Pay, QOL, safety, and work rules like its 1993. Kind of a time machine into a sad past in aviation."

Remember now?:p

And are recently responsible for tearing at the very fabric of FAR 121.547 and using the JS as a tool for both politics and their non union beliefs.

Skywest crews benefit daily from initiatives paid for and advanced by the major pilot unions like ALPA, SWAPA, and IPA yet contributed ZERO dollars to the development of CASS or KCM yet their crews use it everyday. Freakin hypocrites!

After this most recent debacle with this ill advised and stupid JS war Skywest is simply right above the lowest in this industry which are the scabs and deserve to be treated as such and just barely above a scab.

Hopefully, United never hires another one. But unfortunately, that probably won't be the case. But I'm sure their numbers will go way down after these last few weeks and lets hope so.

Here is a prime example of why HR has taken over the hiring at UAL from line pilots.

Every person involved in my interview, except those who reviewed my paperwork and took care of other admin stuff, was a pilot.

Same here. But HR was completely in charge of the selection of pilot candidates. It was also very obvious that the interviewers were professional and unbiased.

Yet neither you nor I have any idea how an individual would react during an interview to the situation mentioned.

You keep thinking that all you want. If you think for one minute this whole debacle will disappear like a fart in the wind you are seriously a great candidate to be a scab one day or would be one of the moronic Captains who would participate in a jumpseat war after so many for decades have fought for 121.547 and to not EVER use it asa tool or for political purposes. If you are a Skywest pilot or just a pilot who does not see the damage this either did or could have done you are truly not a guy I'd ever like to walk a picket line with or expect you to ever have my back in this profession.

Don’t forget about all the 135 and 91k non union pilots that also use KCM.

If it makes you feel better, everyone that I have talked to at SkyWest was upset about the UA jumpseat action, and none of the ones that I talked to were going to deny a jumpseat. They also would like to see SAPA replaced with ALPA, especially after the JS debacle, and some have decided to start pushing for ALPA on property and would like to see the current jumpseat chair replaced.

I’m not a SkyWest pilot. I was hired at United last year, but went to another carrier that was a better fit. I think United is a fine company, although as with anywhere else it has a few blowhards.

I strongly disagree with what SAPA did, I think it was foolish and naive. However, I don’t blame all SkyWest pilots, and the ones I have spoken with are very upset by the actions of SAPA. To now threaten an entire pilot group is really naive and juvenile.

I'm a simple FO and in the grand scheme of things, I don't agree with the way SAPA handled it either, I think i'm a nice person but I bet you're an absolute pleasure to fly with......


Future United hire * Please bid avoid*

Don't forget Midway shutting down Nov. of 1991.
3 majors out of business within 5 weeks of eachother.
The 70's and early 80's were even worse. Thousands of qualified Vietnam era pilots and most airlines with pilots on furlough.
The general economy was stronger then, and there were many, many more general aviation jobs than currently exist.

One thing the “general economy “ wasn’t in the 70’s and early 80’s was stronger than now. Two gas crunches, malaise and several horrible recessions.

Good Thread
 

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Good thread Jenny ... It's good to have a list of airlines/operators to avoid.

HB