National Seniority Protocol
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AIRLINE PILOTS ASSOCIATION, INTERNATIONAL
103RD REGULAR EXECUTIVE BOARD MEETING
September 9-10, 2008
103RD REGULAR EXECUTIVE BOARD MEETING
September 9-10, 2008
SUBJECT
National Seniority Protocol
SOURCE
UAL MEC
Distribution Approved By:
Delegate Committee Chairman
DELEGATE COMMITTEE RECOMENDATION
WHEREAS the Airline Pilots Association has been at the forefront of pilot labor representation in the airline industry since 1931, and has consistently been the champion of safety protocols that assure our passengers have safest transportation system possible, and
WHEREAS the 77 year history of ALPA is replete with examples of bold decisions made by ALPA leaders in order to assure that measures, necessary to protect the economic bargaining rights and professional interests of its members, have been instituted and that the best interests of the profession have been secured, and
WHEREAS opportunities to make significant and enduring policy changes that enhances the professional opportunities of every ALPA member come along rarely and are often precipitated by industry destabilizing events like those brought to bear on ALPA members with The Airline Deregulation Act of 1978, the September 11th acts of war, the bankruptcy era, and the current manipulated inflation of the price of petroleum, and
WHEREAS the most unfulfilled professional benefit, recognized by all airline pilots and by ALPA members specifically, is the lack of a policy, derived from fundamental union principals, that enables and enforces the individual member's ability to transfer their seniority, longevity, and operational experience as professionals from one airline employer to another,
THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that the Executive Board acknowledges this historic and momentous opportunity in time when several key air carrier contract amendable dates are so closely aligned, and which could be coordinated as part of this undertaking, that will launch a historic, new career security protocol for all ALPA pilots and by design, realign the true interests and career expectations of every pilot representative by ALPA both now and in the future, and
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that the President appoint a seven member special committee composed of the Chairman and Vice Chairman of the Merger Policy Review Committee, Chairman of the Collective Bargaining Committee and three additional members (one each from Group A, Group B and Group c pilot group, including members familiar with the work of the Fee For Departure Task Force), together with a National Officer, to address the issues presented by this national seniority protocol item, and
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that the special committee coordinate with and consider relevant work of the MPRC, CBC, and FFD Task Force in carrying out its assignment, and
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that the special committee also consider and report with recommendations on the following issues in carrying out its assignment:
1. Proposed method for ALPA governing body approval of a national seniority protocol including a prior comprehensive membership communication program.
2. Methods for implementation of a national seniority protocol through collective bargaining negotiations, and
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that the special committee report to the Executive Council at its January and April 2009 meetings and to the Executive Board at its May 2009 meeting.
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I've read through most of the posts on this subject and they raise more questions than answers.
What happens to non-union crew members?
What happens to crew members of independent unions?
Are we confusing seniority with longevity? i.e. after 20 years in the industry you may have 20 years of seniority, but do you have 20 years of longevity for pay purposes with a new carrier or do you become a first year captain.
Will there be a master national contract that all carriers will have to sign off on?
and how easy will it be to get hired a a new carrier with them knowing they have to pay you captain pay when they can hire a new F/O at probationary pay?
Can ALPA force carriers to hire high seniority crew members over junior crew members.
What is the event in every crew members career that you would start accruing seniority, ATP, Commercial, hired at first 121 carrier? How about military pilots, graduating UPT?
There are a lot of details to iron out and I can guarantee you there will be some demographic group that will be screwed
What happens to non-union crew members?
What happens to crew members of independent unions?
Are we confusing seniority with longevity? i.e. after 20 years in the industry you may have 20 years of seniority, but do you have 20 years of longevity for pay purposes with a new carrier or do you become a first year captain.
Will there be a master national contract that all carriers will have to sign off on?
and how easy will it be to get hired a a new carrier with them knowing they have to pay you captain pay when they can hire a new F/O at probationary pay?
Can ALPA force carriers to hire high seniority crew members over junior crew members.
What is the event in every crew members career that you would start accruing seniority, ATP, Commercial, hired at first 121 carrier? How about military pilots, graduating UPT?
There are a lot of details to iron out and I can guarantee you there will be some demographic group that will be screwed
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