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captnmajic 04-04-2010 06:30 AM

ALPA named in lawsuit
 
Anyone have any additional information on this suit?


http://www.captainsherlock.com/COMPLAINT_Final.pdf

eaglefly 04-04-2010 06:38 AM

Pilot appears to allege ALPA failed in its fediciary responsibility to properly represent him. It'll be interesting to see what their defense will be.

Is it just me, or is ALPA be sued far more often lately ?

The way things are going ALPA dues will be 5% of salary soon to pay for it all. Considering most pilots REDUCTIONS in compensation likely coming in the future coupled with possible raises or at least cost-of-living INCREASES for ALPA staff, I think we'd all better start looking for second jobs.

:rolleyes:

BoilerUP 04-04-2010 07:12 AM

DFR lawsuits aren't exactly uncommon, especially in the aviation industry.

The plaintiff's success in such lawsuits, however, is wildly variable.

Best as I can tell, the pilot was a conspiracy theorist and a 9/11 truther, and claimed Boeing made "unsafe and illegal modifications" to their airplanes (with subsequent "vaporization" of two airliners somehow proving his position).

Because of these opinions NWA made him undergo a psychological evaluation, and when he didn't show for that appointment, he was terminated.

I'm no lawyer, but given the amount of subjective opinion in the "Factual Background" that likely cannot ever be proven I doubt the Plaintiff will win any damages...

Pineapple Guy 04-04-2010 07:28 AM


Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 789552)
The way things are going ALPA dues will be 5% of salary soon to pay for it all. Considering most pilots REDUCTIONS in compensation likely coming in the future coupled with possible raises or at least cost-of-living INCREASES for ALPA staff, I think we'd all better start looking for second jobs.

:rolleyes:

Yep. Pretty frustrating when ALPA's major expense is defending against frivolous lawsuits; which BTW, I also put the lawsuit which ultimately resulted in the $44m recent settlement in the same light. ALPA couldn't afford to lose, so they settled, but it was still frivolous, imo.

The joke about how the Grand Canyon was formed, sadly, gets proven right time and time again.:mad: We are our own worst enemy.

Godzilla 04-04-2010 03:08 PM


Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy (Post 789570)
Yep. Pretty frustrating when ALPA's major expense is defending against frivolous lawsuits; which BTW, I also put the lawsuit which ultimately resulted in the $44m recent settlement in the same light. ALPA couldn't afford to lose, so they settled, but it was still frivolous, imo.

The joke about how the Grand Canyon was formed, sadly, gets proven right time and time again.:mad: We are our own worst enemy.


Who won a 44 mil. suit against ALPA?

Alpa desreves a lot of the suits brought against them. They are very eager to take your money yet screw you out of your career if it suits their purpose.

Fishfreighter 04-04-2010 03:27 PM


Originally Posted by Godzilla (Post 789760)
Who won a 44 mil. suit against ALPA?

Alpa desreves a lot of the suits brought against them. They are very eager to take your money yet screw you out of your career if it suits their purpose.

:rolleyes:

syd111 04-04-2010 04:04 PM


Originally Posted by Godzilla (Post 789760)
Who won a 44 mil. suit against ALPA?

Alpa desreves a lot of the suits brought against them. They are very eager to take your money yet screw you out of your career if it suits their purpose.

A group of united pilots I beleive over the way some distibution was handled by alpa. I also belive some of the original people on the suit are still on alpa committee's.

I can't be sure though as I am a line pilot that does not serve so my thoughts and opinions have to be taken with that in mind.

sailingfun 04-04-2010 04:37 PM


Originally Posted by syd111 (Post 789791)
A group of united pilots I beleive over the way some distibution was handled by alpa. I also belive some of the original people on the suit are still on alpa committee's.

I can't be sure though as I am a line pilot that does not serve so my thoughts and opinions have to be taken with that in mind.

Most of the payment was covered by insurance. AlPA paid 6 or 8 million of the total. Overall given the size and amount of money involved ALPA has not had many lawsuits or major payouts.

Pineapple Guy 04-04-2010 06:01 PM


Originally Posted by Godzilla (Post 789760)
They are very eager to take your money yet screw you out of your career if it suits their purpose.

Care to give me an example?

Splash 04-04-2010 06:56 PM

"QRS 11 Gyrochips"

His claim is that Boeing and the US government conspired to "vaporize" airliners.

Nope, nothing wrong here! Perfectly sane.

From his website:

Lieutenant Colonel Field McConnell, North Dakota ANG, retired, USNA 1971, and 99 fellow plaintiffs with the Citizens Association of Forensic Economists at Hawks CAFE, acting pro se individually and collectively, bring a class action claim for punitive and treble damages in respect to the wrongful deaths and insurance frauds associated with the attacks of 9/11/2001, including the destruction of four Boeing passenger aircraft, Buildings# 1, 2 and 7 of the World Trade Center complex (WTC), and the US Naval Command Center in Wedge 1 of the Pentagon; Plaintiffs will prove that the defendants are related through private equity, organized crime and labor groups which responded to the racketeering influenced and corrupt organization (RICO) statute of October 1970 by developing sex, sabotage and murder-for-hire services using virtual private networks (VPNs) to launder money and conceive, coordinate and conceal crimes, terrorist acts and frauds; Plaintiffs will prove that in the 1970s, the defendants began to corrupt the Quebec and Arkansas prison systems by extorting and/or bribing prisoners and their guards to plan and commit murders a.k.a. (‘Arkancide’) and establish alibis for the custodians (guardians) of the murder-for-hire networks; Plaintiffs will prove that the defendants recruited special weapons and tactics (‘SWAT’) teams from prisoners moving through the Justice and Correction systems in Canada and America or internationally and rewarding successful assassin(s) with a proportion of the proceeds of (re)insurance policies taken out on victims’ property or lives; Plaintiffs will prove that the defendants reward assassins with ‘off-book’ funds, including money confiscated by the Canadian Privy Council or the U.S. Department of Justice from international drug cartels or ‘stolen’ by non-government organizations such as the UN Oil-for-Food Program or the UN Environmental Programme; Plaintiffs will prove that the defendants’ alleged RICO Enterprise has and is engaged in arson, sabotage, espionage, strikes, bribery, loan sharking, spoliation of evidence and extortion of various leaders of universities, governments and industries, including airlines, banks, labor unions, law enforcement agencies, intelligence services, and media; Plaintiffs will prove that the defendants built virtual private networks to conceal the RICO Enterprise from Anglophones (English speakers) by using French, Arabic or other languages and/or by extorting custody of an entire AT&T secure telephony system, Nortel’s Voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP), and Boeing’s Iridium and Thuraya satellite communications systems; Plaintiffs will prove that the defendants have developed dual-use military and civilian weapons to support global murder-for-hire services, including plasma from tainted blood, incendiary cluster bombs, decoy-and-drone war game maneuvers, anthrax spores, missile gyroscopes, public key encryption and electronic intelligence (ELINT) and electronic warfare (EW) systems; Plaintiffs will prove that the defendants travel or use, or induce their victims to travel or use, facilities in foreign commerce and world trade, including virtual private networks, with intent to murder for pecuniary compensation; Plaintiffs will prove defendants collateralize unlawful debt through the use of fraudulent catastrophe (cat) bond insurance or reinsurance products or services in which agents, saboteurs or assassins are hired to trigger an insured event or force a debt-for-equity swaps by tricking borrowers into spurious violations of their loan covenants; Plaintiffs will prove that the defendants, without the knowledge or consent of the public, collateralize unlawful or predatory debt by attaching electronic liens to individual social security or social insurance numbers and/or registries of land or property titles; Plaintiffs will prove that the defendants use unlawful debt to extort the leaders of legitimate public or private enterprises into churning, insider trading, outsider trading, pump-and-dump and other securities frauds; Plaintiffs will prove that no later than 1993, the defendants had weapons, opportunity and motive to set up virtual private networks to support false-flag ‘al-Qaeda - Jihadist’, ‘Ba’ath Party - Jacobin’ or ‘Unabomber - Anarchist’ attacks on American assets, including the WTC (1993), the Murrah Building in Oklahoma City (1995), the T-43A jet (a modified Boeing 737-200 used by U.S. Air Force) carrying U.S. Commerce Secretary Ron Brown (1996), the Boeing 747-131 of Flight TWA 800 (1996), US Embassies in East Africa (1998), the USS Cole in Aden Harbor (2000), and four Boeing passenger aircraft, the WTC and the US Naval Command Center (2001); Plaintiffs seek compensatory damages per the racketeering influenced and corrupt organization (RICO) statute for the wrongful deaths and property losses caused by the defendants during the conception, coordination, and concealment of the attacks 9/11/2001; Plaintiffs demand that the defendants forfeit all ill-gotten gains and interest in any business gained through the alleged pattern of "racketeering activity”; Plaintiffs seek a trial by jury; Plaintiffs ask courts with jurisdiction to issue a pre-trial restraining order or injunction to prevent the defendants from transferring potentially forfeitable property through domestic or international private equity trading in emissions credits and offsets and other forms of securities or derivatives exchanges; Plaintiffs ask courts with jurisdiction to issue a pre-trial restraining order and freeze the assets of pension funds, insurance companies and banks held in the custody of the defendants; Plaintiffs demand the unconditional discharge of all unlawful, collateralized debt obligations, allegedly owed by Citizens of the United States of America in their Republic and Constitution, and others similarly situated, to the defendants in their self-appointed role as the “Global Guardians” or private-equity trustees of public assets in the global commons.

Splash 04-04-2010 06:59 PM

Here's the website - Hawks Cafe Page 107

Godzilla 04-04-2010 07:37 PM


Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy (Post 789836)
Care to give me an example?

Failure to support the TWA pilot group after they paid ALPA dues for 50 years.

PCL_128 04-04-2010 09:45 PM


Originally Posted by BoilerUP (Post 789567)
I'm no lawyer, but given the amount of subjective opinion in the "Factual Background" that likely cannot ever be proven I doubt the Plaintiff will win any damages...

Damages? Hell, the whole thing will almost certainly be dismissed on summary judgement. The attorney he's using isn't even one of the usual DFR attorneys, which probably indicates that the respected attorneys in this field wouldn't take the case.

PCL_128 04-04-2010 09:46 PM


Originally Posted by Godzilla (Post 789884)
Failure to support the TWA pilot group after they paid ALPA dues for 50 years.

The TWA MEC made their own decisions, and frankly, their decisions were the right ones. There were no good decisions to be made in that situation, only decisions that were less bad than others. You can try to make ALPA national the scapegoat, but it just doesn't hold water.

Splash 04-05-2010 05:02 AM

+1

The TWA pilots chose suicide over execution.

ALPA makes mistakes. Every day. They are easy to spot. Every organization does. Can you name one that doesn't?

Blaming ALPA for not saving TWA pilots is like blaming Cessna for a skydiver who jumps without his 'chute.

Boomer 04-05-2010 06:12 PM


Originally Posted by Splash (Post 789995)
Blaming ALPA for not saving TWA pilots is like blaming Cessna for a skydiver who jumps without his 'chute.

Cessna could have saved him if they refused to put doors on the plane.

X Rated 04-06-2010 09:16 AM


Originally Posted by PCL_128 (Post 789949)
The TWA MEC made their own decisions, and frankly, their decisions were the right ones. There were no good decisions to be made in that situation, only decisions that were less bad than others. You can try to make ALPA national the scapegoat, but it just doesn't hold water.

Evidently, ALPA National thought the threat enough from the UAL pilots that they'd settle. Wouldn't want to have a precedent set that National is responsible for the actions of an MEC....

X

Splash 04-07-2010 04:16 AM


Originally Posted by X Rated (Post 790807)
Wouldn't want to have a precedent set that National is responsible for the actions of an MEC....

I suppose it depends on the actions.

What do you think? Is it possible for an MEC to make decisions that some pilots don't like without National getting sued by those pilots?

jungle 04-10-2010 10:13 AM


Originally Posted by Splash (Post 789861)
"QRS 11 Gyrochips"

His claim is that Boeing and the US government conspired to "vaporize" airliners.

Nope, nothing wrong here! Perfectly sane.

From his website:

Lieutenant Colonel Field McConnell, North Dakota ANG, retired, USNA 1971, and 99 fellow plaintiffs with the Citizens Association of Forensic Economists at Hawks CAFE, acting pro se individually and collectively, bring a class action claim for punitive and treble damages in respect to the wrongful deaths and insurance frauds associated with the attacks of 9/11/2001, including the destruction of four Boeing passenger aircraft, Buildings# 1, 2 and 7 of the World Trade Center complex (WTC), and the US Naval Command Center in Wedge 1 of the Pentagon; Plaintiffs will prove that the defendants are related through private equity, organized crime and labor groups which responded to the racketeering influenced and corrupt organization (RICO) statute of October 1970 by developing sex, sabotage and murder-for-hire services using virtual private networks (VPNs) to launder money and conceive, coordinate and conceal crimes, terrorist acts and frauds; Plaintiffs will prove that in the 1970s, the defendants began to corrupt the Quebec and Arkansas prison systems by extorting and/or bribing prisoners and their guards to plan and commit murders a.k.a. (‘Arkancide’) and establish alibis for the custodians (guardians) of the murder-for-hire networks; Plaintiffs will prove that the defendants recruited special weapons and tactics (‘SWAT’) teams from prisoners moving through the Justice and Correction systems in Canada and America or internationally and rewarding successful assassin(s) with a proportion of the proceeds of (re)insurance policies taken out on victims’ property or lives; Plaintiffs will prove that the defendants reward assassins with ‘off-book’ funds, including money confiscated by the Canadian Privy Council or the U.S. Department of Justice from international drug cartels or ‘stolen’ by non-government organizations such as the UN Oil-for-Food Program or the UN Environmental Programme; Plaintiffs will prove that the defendants’ alleged RICO Enterprise has and is engaged in arson, sabotage, espionage, strikes, bribery, loan sharking, spoliation of evidence and extortion of various leaders of universities, governments and industries, including airlines, banks, labor unions, law enforcement agencies, intelligence services, and media; Plaintiffs will prove that the defendants built virtual private networks to conceal the RICO Enterprise from Anglophones (English speakers) by using French, Arabic or other languages and/or by extorting custody of an entire AT&T secure telephony system, Nortel’s Voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP), and Boeing’s Iridium and Thuraya satellite communications systems; Plaintiffs will prove that the defendants have developed dual-use military and civilian weapons to support global murder-for-hire services, including plasma from tainted blood, incendiary cluster bombs, decoy-and-drone war game maneuvers, anthrax spores, missile gyroscopes, public key encryption and electronic intelligence (ELINT) and electronic warfare (EW) systems; Plaintiffs will prove that the defendants travel or use, or induce their victims to travel or use, facilities in foreign commerce and world trade, including virtual private networks, with intent to murder for pecuniary compensation; Plaintiffs will prove defendants collateralize unlawful debt through the use of fraudulent catastrophe (cat) bond insurance or reinsurance products or services in which agents, saboteurs or assassins are hired to trigger an insured event or force a debt-for-equity swaps by tricking borrowers into spurious violations of their loan covenants; Plaintiffs will prove that the defendants, without the knowledge or consent of the public, collateralize unlawful or predatory debt by attaching electronic liens to individual social security or social insurance numbers and/or registries of land or property titles; Plaintiffs will prove that the defendants use unlawful debt to extort the leaders of legitimate public or private enterprises into churning, insider trading, outsider trading, pump-and-dump and other securities frauds; Plaintiffs will prove that no later than 1993, the defendants had weapons, opportunity and motive to set up virtual private networks to support false-flag ‘al-Qaeda - Jihadist’, ‘Ba’ath Party - Jacobin’ or ‘Unabomber - Anarchist’ attacks on American assets, including the WTC (1993), the Murrah Building in Oklahoma City (1995), the T-43A jet (a modified Boeing 737-200 used by U.S. Air Force) carrying U.S. Commerce Secretary Ron Brown (1996), the Boeing 747-131 of Flight TWA 800 (1996), US Embassies in East Africa (1998), the USS Cole in Aden Harbor (2000), and four Boeing passenger aircraft, the WTC and the US Naval Command Center (2001); Plaintiffs seek compensatory damages per the racketeering influenced and corrupt organization (RICO) statute for the wrongful deaths and property losses caused by the defendants during the conception, coordination, and concealment of the attacks 9/11/2001; Plaintiffs demand that the defendants forfeit all ill-gotten gains and interest in any business gained through the alleged pattern of "racketeering activity”; Plaintiffs seek a trial by jury; Plaintiffs ask courts with jurisdiction to issue a pre-trial restraining order or injunction to prevent the defendants from transferring potentially forfeitable property through domestic or international private equity trading in emissions credits and offsets and other forms of securities or derivatives exchanges; Plaintiffs ask courts with jurisdiction to issue a pre-trial restraining order and freeze the assets of pension funds, insurance companies and banks held in the custody of the defendants; Plaintiffs demand the unconditional discharge of all unlawful, collateralized debt obligations, allegedly owed by Citizens of the United States of America in their Republic and Constitution, and others similarly situated, to the defendants in their self-appointed role as the “Global Guardians” or private-equity trustees of public assets in the global commons.

Thanks for sharing this valuable document with us, as a fan of gonzo journalism I can appreciate the level of insanity it requires to write such a highly unified all in one conspiracy theory.
This is what many FBI/SS guys hear on the phone at the duty desk at odd hours. The writer needs badly to have his meds adjusted.

Possibly his worst crime is the complete lack of paragraph breaks. For that he should suffer.:D

Blueskies21 04-25-2010 04:35 PM

Boy, I'd love to say I didn't think this guy was crazy but after reading that complaint I'm inclined to say he was. He was trying to make a deal with Richard Anderson to buy him out of flying until age 82? And Alpa didn't forward those letters on... I think they were doing you a favor... if the CEO gets a serious letter from one of his pilots to that effect you're going to expect he'd think the pilot was crazy.

I'm all for free speech and opinion but you might not want to shout your special brand of crazy from the roof tops when you're tasked with level-headed decision making daily.

I don't think that the company should get to use their psychologist, but then again I have no idea of what the truth is when you listen to the ramblings of someone with questionable grasp on reality.....

Yikes. That is all.


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