New Pilot Union Members Wanted
06-19-2010, 12:56 PM
#2
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Originally Posted by ea500driver
Has ALPA done anything to help the Pilots at Falcon Air Express get their membership process going yet. If not, Please help...
06-19-2010, 01:00 PM
#3
APC co-founder
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What has your pilot group done to organize themselves? Pilot unity [see Spirit Airlines] and common cause is the first step before any [national] union will go the expense of circulating certification cards.
06-19-2010, 05:12 PM
#4
Che Guevara
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Where would they start the process? Seems a little disheartening that ALPA waits for people to come to them. An ALPA or IBT rep should go to them and spend a couple hours explaining the process of organizing the group and joining a union.
06-19-2010, 08:08 PM
#6
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I can tell you one thing that is required for ALP[A] to be interested . . . . MONEY.
From 2003 to 2005 I flew for Scenic Airlines (Twin-Otters, and at that time 121 ops).
We tried to get ALP[A] on property but we had less than 100 total pilots at that time. ALP[A] said they were not interested because we did not have enough dues paying pilots to make it worth their while.
Money talks . . . if it ain't talkin' loud enough ALP[A] could care less.
From 2003 to 2005 I flew for Scenic Airlines (Twin-Otters, and at that time 121 ops).
We tried to get ALP[A] on property but we had less than 100 total pilots at that time. ALP[A] said they were not interested because we did not have enough dues paying pilots to make it worth their while.
Money talks . . . if it ain't talkin' loud enough ALP[A] could care less.
Last edited by vagabond; 06-19-2010 at 08:18 PM. Reason: it's ALPA, not ALPO, please have a little respect
06-19-2010, 09:54 PM
#7
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Originally Posted by JDFlyer
I can tell you one thing that is required for ALP[A] to be interested . . . . MONEY.
From 2003 to 2005 I flew for Scenic Airlines (Twin-Otters, and at that time 121 ops).
We tried to get ALP[A] on property but we had less than 100 total pilots at that time. ALP[A] said they were not interested because we did not have enough dues paying pilots to make it worth their while.
Money talks . . . if it ain't talkin' loud enough ALP[A] could care less.
From 2003 to 2005 I flew for Scenic Airlines (Twin-Otters, and at that time 121 ops).
We tried to get ALP[A] on property but we had less than 100 total pilots at that time. ALP[A] said they were not interested because we did not have enough dues paying pilots to make it worth their while.
Money talks . . . if it ain't talkin' loud enough ALP[A] could care less.
As far as Scenic Airlines goes, ironically, that is where the great pooba of ALPA started, John Prater, president. John Prater worked at Scenic Airlines as a pilot. 10,000 cheeseburgers later must dull his memory of what it is like in a Cessna 402 with the door hanging open providing cooler air.
Time for a change, your body sheds its skin automatically, shedding your union is manual.
06-20-2010, 03:58 AM
#9
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Originally Posted by JDFlyer
I can tell you one thing that is required for ALP[A] to be interested . . . . MONEY.
From 2003 to 2005 I flew for Scenic Airlines (Twin-Otters, and at that time 121 ops).
We tried to get ALP[A] on property but we had less than 100 total pilots at that time. ALP[A] said they were not interested because we did not have enough dues paying pilots to make it worth their while.
Money talks . . . if it ain't talkin' loud enough ALP[A] could care less.
From 2003 to 2005 I flew for Scenic Airlines (Twin-Otters, and at that time 121 ops).
We tried to get ALP[A] on property but we had less than 100 total pilots at that time. ALP[A] said they were not interested because we did not have enough dues paying pilots to make it worth their while.
Money talks . . . if it ain't talkin' loud enough ALP[A] could care less.
06-20-2010, 07:18 AM
#10
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Posts: 3,228
Originally Posted by all4114all
Spot on regarding ALPA's goal, money. Midwest Airline Pilots are the perfect example. Their scope clause crafted by ALPA national was cut through like butter. ALPA left Midwest pilots as soon as their dues "contingency fees" ran out.
As far as Scenic Airlines goes, ironically, that is where the great pooba of ALPA started, John Prater, president. John Prater worked at Scenic Airlines as a pilot. 10,000 cheeseburgers later must dull his memory of what it is like in a Cessna 402 with the door hanging open providing cooler air.
Time for a change, your body sheds its skin automatically, shedding your union is manual.
As far as Scenic Airlines goes, ironically, that is where the great pooba of ALPA started, John Prater, president. John Prater worked at Scenic Airlines as a pilot. 10,000 cheeseburgers later must dull his memory of what it is like in a Cessna 402 with the door hanging open providing cooler air.
Time for a change, your body sheds its skin automatically, shedding your union is manual.
ALPA National has been more interested in recent years in organizing smaller groups and not only caring about the money they can bring in. But of course the idea is to make a stronger national union which ALPA hopes will bring better contracts and in turn, make ALPA National more money.
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