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ALPA's Mad Scramble is Tanking at RAH
For any RAH pilots who have gotten the "glad hand" and "love" of ALPA from other carriers in the past couple of days; in case you were wondering why, here's the answer.
It seems that ALPA is having a tough time getting cards back. And with the NMB getting ready to rule on the Single Carrier Status petition very soon, ol' Lee and Representation are getting VERY nervous... What to do? Simple. They paid a visit to the NMB and the person who is reviewing the petition. It seems that she's very upset that the IBT Airline Division did a good job of representing their flight attendants at RAH against the AFA (where she used to be President). Sooo..... ALPA talked her into sandbagging the Single Carrier ruling to allow them more time to get cards in. [Mod edit: delete politics] On one hand, they (ALPA) are working hand in hand with DAL to overlap every Frontier route with extra capacity to kill off Frontier. On the other hand, they are trying desperately to get cards from RAH pilots so they can get your dues money. This is about ALPA running out of money. They are losing AirTran. They lost the card drive again at JetBlue. And they can't seem to get the RAH pilots to sign cards fast enough here. And FAPA wants you to believe that jumping into that is somehow going to be in your best interests. It's best to give up the SLI for the deal they wanted. Ummmm...yeah. Makes you wonder what they offered that "certain person" at the NMB. A shiny ALPA pin? Or maybe a free lifetime subscription to the magazine? |
The whole thing reeks.
Get the single carrier status. That would be great, and you would probably see some action wrt to some mainline scope clauses. As for ALPA running out of money, no really. For the B6 drive, it is not over, and they will come a running when they are bought up. We as pilots really are our own worst enemies. |
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 965678)
We as pilots really are our own worst enemies. |
Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy
(Post 965680)
You learned that at an earlier age than most. My hats off to you! ;)
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So ALPA is not telling DAL what routes to fly? That makes your entire statement a joke.
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Did you come up with this yourself or did the boys in DC think this gem up?
If ALPA has this kind of stroke I want them representing me for sure! |
Originally Posted by F9 Driver
(Post 965689)
Did you come up with this yourself or did the boys in DC think this gem up?
If ALPA has this kind of stroke I want them representing me for sure! |
Without sources there's no point. That's a pretty specific statement.
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 965678)
The whole thing reeks.
Get the single carrier status. That would be great, and you would probably see some action wrt to some mainline scope clauses. As for ALPA running out of money, no really. For the B6 drive, it is not over, and they will come a running when they are bought up. We as pilots really are our own worst enemies. |
"On one hand, they (ALPA) are working hand in hand with DAL to overlap every Frontier route with extra capacity to kill off Frontier. On the other hand, they are trying desperately to get cards from RAH pilots so they can get your dues money."
ATCsaidDowhat I did not know you were a comedian as well. Very lame attempt to discredit ALPA. Keep it up you are doing a great job. |
+1 Alfaromeo. I'm not as sure though. I'd expect more typos and cigarette burns. I guess spell check helps a lot :)
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 965684)
So ALPA is not telling DAL what routes to fly? That makes your entire statement a joke.
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Originally Posted by ATCsaidDoWhat
(Post 965706)
Who said the Repubs are behind it? The Repubs are trying to kill off the NMB and union rights...
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Originally Posted by ATCsaidDoWhat
(Post 965706)
Who said the Repubs are behind it? The Repubs are trying to kill off the NMB and union rights...
Originally Posted by tsquare
(Post 965745)
Oh good grief... really?
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Originally Posted by alfaromeo
(Post 965718)
This guy is part of a leadership team that failed their pilots miserably and then went about pointing fingers of blame, yes you guessed it's all ALPA's fault. He is good for flamebait on here but not much else.
They got an alter ego foreign base closed and brought over a hundred guys back from furlough. Got the pilots through the company bankruptcy without any concessions in the CBA and kept 12% annual raises throughout it. Got them back stock options and profit sharing that has consistently gone up from 10% in 2005. Their "failure" just got their pilots a 26% raise, 20.1% profit sharing on their 2010 W-2 wages and a reported 11.5 million signing bonus divided among 850 pilots. With growth planned to be 45% in the pilot group in the next 18 months that still won't cover the planned retirements and new 747-8's and two holer's that are coming. And they're paying less in dues. The miserable failure was believing that ALPA National would honor their committment to conclude the merger. Instead, ALPA wasted over a million dollars of dues money for an outside attorney to block it. Yeah...sucks. How's it going for you? |
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The NMB needs to be killed off. There is no organization right now that is doing more to destroy collective bargaining right now than the NMB. They no longer protect union rights and they are no longer mediators. They are acting as judges as to the content of collective bargaining agreements. The NMB can't be killed fast enough. Carl |
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 965678)
The whole thing reeks.
We as pilots really are our own worst enemies. |
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
(Post 965804)
The NMB needs to be killed off. There is no organization right now that is doing more to destroy collective bargaining right now than the NMB. They no longer protect union rights and they are no longer mediators. They are acting as judges as to the content of collective bargaining agreements.
The NMB can't be killed fast enough. Carl The NMB is out of control. They are dictating our contracts. They might as well dump the pretext of "mediation". Just tell us what terms they will approve and save a lot of time. This business of just "parking" the negotiations for years and years because they think someone is making excessive demands is way beyond the original intent of Congress when they wrote the Railway Labor Act. |
Originally Posted by ATCsaidDoWhat
(Post 965767)
Yeah, must have been terrible.
They got an alter ego foreign base closed and brought over a hundred guys back from furlough. Got the pilots through the company bankruptcy without any concessions in the CBA and kept 12% annual raises throughout it. Got them back stock options and profit sharing that has consistently gone up from 10% in 2005. Their "failure" just got their pilots a 26% raise, 20.1% profit sharing on their 2010 W-2 wages and a reported 11.5 million signing bonus divided among 850 pilots. With growth planned to be 45% in the pilot group in the next 18 months that still won't cover the planned retirements and new 747-8's and two holer's that are coming. And they're paying less in dues. The miserable failure was believing that ALPA National would honor their committment to conclude the merger. Instead, ALPA wasted over a million dollars of dues money for an outside attorney to block it. Yeah...sucks. How's it going for you? |
Originally Posted by Check Essential
(Post 965865)
Carl, you are exactly correct.
The NMB is out of control. They are dictating our contracts. They might as well dump the pretext of "mediation". Just tell us what terms they will approve and save a lot of time. This business of just "parking" the negotiations for years and years because they think someone is making excessive demands is way beyond the original intent of Congress when they wrote the Railway Labor Act. |
Originally Posted by detpilot
(Post 965967)
Realistically, how do we get rid of the NMB/RLA? I've wondered this for years...
we all band together at the union level, lobby, and be willing to lose our jobs over it in the short term. |
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