FlyingDawg

Rumor has it that IBT 357 business agent with the RAH MEC chairman met with the FAPA reps at FAPA headquarters today. How did things go? ANY comments?

slowplay

Is the IBT 357 Business Agent a RAH seniority list pilot actively flying the line or a Teamsters employee?

embraerjetpilot

Teamsters employee. I may be mistaken but he is a pilot though

RPC Unity

The 357 Exco chair and their biz agent joined several members of the FAPA BoD for a meeting at the Denver FAPA office.

Several dozen pilots attended, including a number of republic and shuttle pilots that were overnighting at a near by hotel.

The meeting was emotional at times but that is understandable considering everything that is on the line.

I don't want to put words in PGs mouth and I give him credit for taking the time to attend, but here is what I took away from the meeting.

The Local 357 is not the answer for this 3000 member pilot group and they appear to be coming to the same conclusion.

The IBT is now proposing a structure that mirrors the RPC structure.

Separate dues structure, for a period of time.
Separate CBA's until the current IBT negotiations are complete.
Separate administration of each CBA until that time.
Some joint committees during the transition.

This is exactly what the RPC is proposing. The RPC will work towards one CBA just like the IBT now plans to work towards one CBA. This will not be "one contract" overnight. One contract is going to take years to accomplish.

As of today, the only real difference between the RPC's plan and the IBT's plan is the name on the door and the dues that the IBT skims off the top.

Why vote for the IBT and throw away 22% of $3 million dollars every year?

The RPC plan will work, an the IBT knows it. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

Oskeewowow

PG didn't get this idea from the RPC. He's been telling people in ground school the same thing for at least 9 months.

To paraphrase: "We can't just step in and administer their contract. It will be a joint effort."

Separate question, has the RPC put anything in writing (bylaws?) to back up their promises?

Slap Shot

So if the RPC gets elected, Local 357's contract negotiations STOP. RAH pilots will get no improvements until both contracts are amalgamated. That would be a brand new section 6 negotiations. So we are talking YEARS away.

FAPA's contract now because the base contract. Which means RAH scope goes away. JT has told the 357 ExCo that he does not think scope is that important. He has said you can't have a good contract (as if FAPA's is the best in the industry) and still fly "small airplanes" that don't make money.

Funny, because SG and JT were told Local 357's exact plan back in April. So I guess you then went back to fantasy land and typed up this RPC letter. I am sure PG is flattered.

Quagmire

Guys you are wasting your breath in dealing with the three or four FAPA guys that actually post on this website.

17 days in and they have lost the election. Unfortunately no one will tell them for another two weeks.

FAULTPUSH

That would be disingenuous to say that RPC represents all pilots, and then have Frontier pilots decide what the bylaws would be. I believe that the bylaws would be constructed by the 6 members of the RPC, and then put out to a vote from the pilot groups (the RPC would agree on the details of that). Equal participation in construction, and weighted according to pilot group size in the vote. I bit like the US Senate and House - one is an equal vote to each state, and the other accords votes by population.

FAULTPUSH

Enough of the falsehoods. Everything on the RAH side and Frontier sides stays the same, unless your reps decide to walk (I think they threatened that, and IBT has definitely threatened to not be involved unless it all goes their way). Your negotiations would continue unabated, unless the Republic pilots wanted to change negotiators. Your contract continues until another is negotiated. The RPC might elect to negotiate a joint contract right now, but that certainly won't be advocated by the Frontier side. JT pointed out that FAPA's position on Q's was that they would self regulate without a need for scope limits, and unfortunately, they were very correct on that.

Slap Shot

Your lack of knowledge about how the National Mediation Board works is mind boggling. I surely hope you are not part of the RPC Leadership.