Why did your exco back out of talking to the FAPA pilots?

The "Any other organization or individual" doesn't list the other options. Obviously I want other... is it FAPA, ALPA and UTU?

My personal recommendation is to write in "Republic Pilots Council". You can write in FAPA, ALPA, or UTU if you'd like also, but my guess is it would be a "wasted vote" if you are looking for something other than IBT. It will come down to 600+ votes for RPC and ???? for IBT, plus maybe a smattering of other choices.

Thanks for the info... but just to clarify RPC is the equivalent of FAPA pre RAH purchase? I haven't received anything other than the ballot in the past 14 months so a little uninformed.

Because FAPA would not allow the IBT BA (D.T.) to attend or the Airline Division Director (D.B.). They only wanted one person there to gang up against..... not a fair fight. Ask you RPC reps that were in MKE these last 2 days why they want their trips given back that they had pay protected to do RPC stuff in MKE.... I think they will tell you that they had the wrong, negative impression about IBT.

Pretty much. To continue a Transformers reference in another thread, The RPC.... FAPA in disguise!

I sent you a PM with the FAQ's about RPC.

In a nutshell, the FAPA reps continue to represent the F9 pilots, and the Local 357 reps continue to represent the RAH pilots. A joint council of 3 reps from each group would work together towards "becoming one". Each group would be free to choose their leadership (as opposed to the current situation at RAH where an attempt to oust IBT constitutes something akin to treason and could cost you your job).

It's my personal hope that it would benefit the RAH pilots by working towards using collaborative bargaining to achieve outcomes that benefit both the employees and the company, vs the current negotiating stalemate. Collaborative bargaining by FAPA has brought many benefits, such as our recent LOA's that now allows pilots to pick up trips after the previous close of opentime, and drop trips after that deadline, depending on reserve staffing levels. Good for the goose and good for the gander, vs. the "if we don't get what we want, we'll strike!" mentality.

Another advantage - ALL of your dues will go to your local representation, without a chunk going to National to fight for the interests of truckers, plumbers, etc. That was my biggest peeve with ALPA in a previous life at a commuter - our dues were used to represent the interests the the majors.

That's a lie - FAPA said that they could bring the whole EXCO if they wanted, just not reps from national.

Still haven't found the "ignore" button. It's gotta be on here somewhere. So let me phrase things in a way more suitable to your tastes TD.

What I am trying to say TD, is that regardless if it right or wrong (probably wrong), there are going to be 700ish unhappy pilots joining your ranks. Let's be real about this, we (F9/FAPA) got our arses handed to us in the SLI and STS decisions. Not even close to what we imagined or thought (again, right or wrong) was reasonable. That being said, too bad for us, right? You guys have all the cards here and can play them however you want to. I'll need to eventually accept my fate and live with all of this (most likely I'll just bail all together on the airline biz). It's a tough pill to swallow for all of us over here. It makes it even tougher seeing what a good job the IBT has done of brainwashing you guys into accepting everything you hear or are told. I know from personal experience that not all of the "native" RAH pilots have yours, SLUMLAVs or STINKYs attitudes (just to name a few). I RARELY see a "native" RAH pilot post anything positive about anything. You guys come across as militant, inflexible and arrogant if I may say so. Many of us at Frontier have bent over backwards over the past week or so trying to bang any minute particle of reason into your heads which all seem firmly planted in the sand. It's totally unbelievable!

How am I doing so far TD? Getting a little under your skin? Should I bust out the RJP terminology that I took so much flack having fun with 3 months ago? Nah, I won't go their because, for most of you, it's not a fair representation of your (not yours) professionalism.

So where was I? Oh yeah, trying to express how fracked up this situation is and how attitudes, arrogance, stubbornness and ignorance are going to make it worse. I'm a pretty normal levelheaded guy who just enjoys flying for a living. I can accept my fair share of disappointment which I have done and will continue to do. But right now, I'll be honest with you, I'm pi$$ed. There are a lot of good people over here at Frontier having a lot of $hi+ pulled out from under them. Many of us would like to help make things better. Again, I didn't know about the RPC until less than 2 weeks ago. When I learned about it (yes, I actually drove an hour on a day off to spend 2 hours asking questions, etc.) I felt that this could be something that MIGHT have a chance in ending this non-sense. Maybe we could get you guys to give just a little, throw us a bone, give this lowlife group of pilots a dignified way to ease our way into your country club. Let us be part of the process, not kicking us to the curb like a bunch of trash.

It was a nice try. I know that 700 of us over here are evidently stupid enough to think this is a reasonable idea. Maybe, some of the more reasonable pilots in your group might feel the same. I'm really not holding out hope, but I'd like to think that there is some empathy and honesty left in this situation. Probably not.

Anyway, many of you are seriously misinformed about EVERYTHING, and right now the RPC is on the top of that list. You already know what you want, you're not willing to listen to any other option. No effort to "cross the aisle" or even contemplate it. Doesn't work so well in Congress does it? So the days are counting down to the end of the Evildoers know as FAPA. The great International Brotherhood of Teamsters will soon take a victory lap while rubbing each of our noses into it, never ONCE, taking a moment to think about the consequences related to their "victory". Me and my 700ish brothers and sisters are willing to work with you to ease the sting, but in our continued moments of weakness, you simply want to crush us and then give us a big hug and say "welcome to the family". You are delusional if you think everything is going to be A-OK after June 28th. The vocal RAHbros response to an honest effort to find some common ground looks to have been essentially ignored. That's your and your IBT357's call. Good luck with it, because, as pi$$ed off as this whole process has made you, we are that more pi$$ed. How do you think this is all going to work out now if everyone at Frontier feels this way? It is going to be a disaster of epic proportions.

You TD are a lost cause (if not just for the sheer amount of time you spend perusing this miserable site), but many of your fellow co-workers may not want to continue down the "battle path" that has been ingrained in your head. I think I'll sign off before I say something really stupid. I'm sure my brother F9 A319 wishes he could reign me in before I hit the "submit" button. Ain't gonna happen.

Before I go; to all the reasonable people at RAH, please accept my apologies in advance if you have felt insulted by anything I said. It is not aimed at you, just the vocal minority present on these boards. And to my F9bros, this probably won't help the cause one bit, but I'm not sure how else to convey the message.

Yup. I was genuinely looking forward to visiting with Mr. Gannon tomorrow afternoon. Would have been valuable to have some discussions with the leader of the IBT357 as the only thing I have ever received from them is a Robo-Call and a flyer in the mail. I didn't give a care what anyone from National had to say. I wanted to talk to those who may very soon be representing me. Not the puppetmasters. What a joke!