Local357 EXCO response to the RPC(FAPA!!)
06-08-2011, 10:06 AM
#41
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This is all so pointless. FAPA and IBT will never see eye to eye on this deal. Me personally, I could have gone for an inhouse union. I however do not agree with the idea of RPC. Its divisive in nature and would stand little chance of being effective imo. The other huge hangup I have with RPC is I have yet to see any legal document binding those who started it to do as they say. Someone made a great anaolgy before comparing rpc to pelosi's saying of "we need to vote it in to see whats in it". You can tell me how it will work all day long. None of that is legally binding.
That aside, I do predict F9 guys will be horribly upset at the results. Six months from now after the dust settles and IBT has guys from both sides of the house in the EXCO, everything will calm down. People may talk negatively under their breath or in a closed cockpit, but thats about it. I also believe F9 guys will be surprised at how things have changed at the IBT compared to the horror stories of the past.
That aside, I do predict F9 guys will be horribly upset at the results. Six months from now after the dust settles and IBT has guys from both sides of the house in the EXCO, everything will calm down. People may talk negatively under their breath or in a closed cockpit, but thats about it. I also believe F9 guys will be surprised at how things have changed at the IBT compared to the horror stories of the past.
06-08-2011, 01:20 PM
#42
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Originally Posted by FlyitB
After the vote is over then and only then will be be able to sit down talk about having a inhouse union. We can do it the correct way and hopefully it will work out and when can have another vote.
Until then.. I support and will continue to support the IBT.
Until then.. I support and will continue to support the IBT.
They want an independent in-house union.
The RPC is the bridge to one Indi union!
If the IBT prevails we are barred from running an new card drive for another two years per the NMB.
If the RPC wins you can designate your own independent union on day one!
Why do you think Doug turner is flying all over the system?!
The RAH pilot group represents 3000 pilots.
If we end up as IBT we make up 3000 of approximately 7000 total IBT pilots.
If the IBT loses this election, they will lose 43% of their total pilot membership.
The IBT doesn't want to lose RAH. They know that the RPC will eventually be one independent union.
If you want in-house NOW, vote RPC
06-08-2011, 01:36 PM
#43
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Originally Posted by RPC Unity
The majority of RAH pilots that I have spoken with say the same thing.
They want an independent in-house union.
The RPC is the bridge to one Indi union!
If the IBT prevails we are barred from running an new card drive for another two years per the NMB.
If the RPC wins you can designate your own independent union on day one!
Why do you think Doug turner is flying all over the system?!
The RAH pilot group represents 3000 pilots.
If we end up as IBT we make up 3000 of approximately 7000 total IBT pilots.
If the IBT loses this election, they will lose 43% of their total pilot membership.
The IBT doesn't want to lose RAH. They know that the RPC will eventually be one independent union.
If you want in-house NOW, vote RPC
They want an independent in-house union.
The RPC is the bridge to one Indi union!
If the IBT prevails we are barred from running an new card drive for another two years per the NMB.
If the RPC wins you can designate your own independent union on day one!
Why do you think Doug turner is flying all over the system?!
The RAH pilot group represents 3000 pilots.
If we end up as IBT we make up 3000 of approximately 7000 total IBT pilots.
If the IBT loses this election, they will lose 43% of their total pilot membership.
The IBT doesn't want to lose RAH. They know that the RPC will eventually be one independent union.
If you want in-house NOW, vote RPC
Feels like a political election reading a post like this. May want to check a few of the "facts" you just posted. A few mistakes in the "party talking points"
06-08-2011, 04:09 PM
#44
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Originally Posted by RPC Unity
The majority of RAH pilots that I have spoken with say the same thing.
They want an independent in-house union.
The RPC is the bridge to one Indi union!
If the IBT prevails we are barred from running an new card drive for another two years per the NMB.
If the RPC wins you can designate your own independent union on day one!
Why do you think Doug turner is flying all over the system?!
The RAH pilot group represents 3000 pilots.
If we end up as IBT we make up 3000 of approximately 7000 total IBT pilots.
If the IBT loses this election, they will lose 43% of their total pilot membership.
The IBT doesn't want to lose RAH. They know that the RPC will eventually be one independent union.
If you want in-house NOW, vote RPC
They want an independent in-house union.
The RPC is the bridge to one Indi union!
If the IBT prevails we are barred from running an new card drive for another two years per the NMB.
If the RPC wins you can designate your own independent union on day one!
Why do you think Doug turner is flying all over the system?!
The RAH pilot group represents 3000 pilots.
If we end up as IBT we make up 3000 of approximately 7000 total IBT pilots.
If the IBT loses this election, they will lose 43% of their total pilot membership.
The IBT doesn't want to lose RAH. They know that the RPC will eventually be one independent union.
If you want in-house NOW, vote RPC
If you want to give into managments wet dream of having two seperate groups that they can play off of each other to quicken the race to the bottom vote RPC
06-08-2011, 04:17 PM
#45
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Originally Posted by zoooropa
Ask Pat to explain this email....
"On Jun 7, 2011 10:54 AM
>> > Pat,
>> >
>> > Our members are familiar with IBT and 747 (some were under it). They would like to hear from you, not national, on how 357 is run and how you envision the future. You're welcome to bring another ExCo member, but CA Bourne was intentionally not invited for this session.
"
The Local 357 wants to claim that they are "nearly an independant union", however when the cards on the table the Local 357 will not participate unless the "international union" is present.
I feel sorry for the 357 membership. You guys are being played by the IBT. Keep funding their pensions.
Keep throwing away $700,000 annually for nothing.
"On Jun 7, 2011 10:54 AM
>> > Pat,
>> >
>> > Our members are familiar with IBT and 747 (some were under it). They would like to hear from you, not national, on how 357 is run and how you envision the future. You're welcome to bring another ExCo member, but CA Bourne was intentionally not invited for this session.
"
The Local 357 wants to claim that they are "nearly an independant union", however when the cards on the table the Local 357 will not participate unless the "international union" is present.
I feel sorry for the 357 membership. You guys are being played by the IBT. Keep funding their pensions.
Keep throwing away $700,000 annually for nothing.
06-09-2011, 05:06 AM
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Originally Posted by FAULTPUSH
That's a lie - FAPA said that they could bring the whole EXCO if they wanted, just not reps from national.
Why not? Could it be that:
a) The Division Director might tell the truth about what was said and discussed in previous meetings? Creating an ugly situation where the F9 pilots might find out they have been misled?
b) That they will find out that it's harder to lie about someone or an organization to their face?
c) They would be forced to admit that the Airline Division and it's reps are PILOTS...not "truckers and plumbers" as you and others so often like to parrot?
or is it
d) When your pilots find out the facts about what has been going on, you will lose all credibility?
Sounds to me like it may be all of the above.
06-09-2011, 05:12 AM
#47
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Originally Posted by FlyGirl007
Not true. Sizzle is correct.
I heard that while $450,000 of your dues have been going to support IBT national annually, you're getting charge special assessments to cover negotiating expenses. FAPA has never had a special assessment, and has over $2 million in its piggy bank for a rainy day. Just something to ponder about the merits of having your dues stay completely in house.
VOTE RPC!
06-09-2011, 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by ATCsaidDoWhat
You know...that just seems a bit odd. It would seem to me that a group like FAPA would welcome the opportunity to hear directly from the top about the differences since the place changed leadership.
Why not? Could it be that:
a) The Division Director might tell the truth about what was said and discussed in previous meetings? Creating an ugly situation where the F9 pilots might find out they have been misled?
b) That they will find out that it's harder to lie about someone or an organization to their face?
c) They would be forced to admit that the Airline Division and it's reps are PILOTS...not "truckers and plumbers" as you and others so often like to parrot?
or is it
d) When your pilots find out the facts about what has been going on, you will lose all credibility?
Sounds to me like it may be all of the above.
Why not? Could it be that:
a) The Division Director might tell the truth about what was said and discussed in previous meetings? Creating an ugly situation where the F9 pilots might find out they have been misled?
b) That they will find out that it's harder to lie about someone or an organization to their face?
c) They would be forced to admit that the Airline Division and it's reps are PILOTS...not "truckers and plumbers" as you and others so often like to parrot?
or is it
d) When your pilots find out the facts about what has been going on, you will lose all credibility?
Sounds to me like it may be all of the above.
FAPA doesn't want their pilots to know the truth.... they go on and on about sending money up the chain and how FAPA doesn't do that and yet those in the know all about the details aren't allowed to attend..... DFR failure. now they take heat about it but still say, everyone is still OK with it..... pfffft.
VOTE IBT!!!
06-09-2011, 12:58 PM
#49
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RAHbros.....the "Masters of Spin"!
What color is the sky over there in RAHworld? Pink with red polkadots or maybe black and white zebra stripes?
I'd bet I can tell you Flyguy81's dogs doodoo stinks really bad and you'd try to convince me it smells like perfume. I'm glad your all just the vocal 2% because, collectively, you all are a work of art.
What color is the sky over there in RAHworld? Pink with red polkadots or maybe black and white zebra stripes?
I'd bet I can tell you Flyguy81's dogs doodoo stinks really bad and you'd try to convince me it smells like perfume. I'm glad your all just the vocal 2% because, collectively, you all are a work of art.
06-09-2011, 12:58 PM
#50
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Originally Posted by FAULTPUSH
No he's not, but neither was I. FAPA said that Gannon was free to bring another member of the EXCO. FAPA felt that the pilot group doesn't want to hear a story about what 747 did wrong and how that won't happen again. We are looking ahead to how IBT will fairly represent us. There has been a little dissent about that on the FAPA message board, but the majority of pilots here agree with that idea.
I heard that while $450,000 of your dues have been going to support IBT national annually, you're getting charge special assessments to cover negotiating expenses. FAPA has never had a special assessment, and has over $2 million in its piggy bank for a rainy day. Just something to ponder about the merits of having your dues stay completely in house.
VOTE RPC!
I heard that while $450,000 of your dues have been going to support IBT national annually, you're getting charge special assessments to cover negotiating expenses. FAPA has never had a special assessment, and has over $2 million in its piggy bank for a rainy day. Just something to ponder about the merits of having your dues stay completely in house.
VOTE RPC!
Funny...if I had the chance to have the person in charge of things willing to come address my pilots, I'd jump at the chance...unless I have something to hide or am afraid my pilots might find out I've been less than truthful about some things. You know, kind of like the old, "two people can keep a secret...if one of them is dead." Seems someone is really afraid that the truth might leak out.
2 million in the bank. How much do your RLA attorney's charge when they represent you, on say things like concession demands from management?
Or regular negotiations? What about financial experts and others needed to do the critical analysis of proposals to make sure you aren't getting railroaded on things like scope, pay and quality of life...or do you have experts in your ranks who do it for free?
And should you lose your lawsuit, will you have to pay the attorney fees for the other side?
What about if you go on strike? Are you paying strike benefits from the 2 million as well? How long will that last if you've been paying for other things?
Suddenly that 2 million sounds pretty small...
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