Sniper

This thread belongs in the 'union talk' section, or maybe FI.

FAULTPUSH

If that number is wrong, then how much of your dues DO go to National? Doing the math to see if $450,000 is reasonable, you have about 1000 FOs making about $37,000 per year, so that's about $37 million. 1000 captains making around $80,000, so that's $80 million. Dues come to something on the order of $15 million to $20 million, so I think that around $450,000 of that going to National is reasonable. If someone has more exact numbers, please correct me (or does IBT hide that information from the pilot group?)

With RPC, your dues stay with RPC.

That's why we asked Mr. Gannon to come talk to us (he IS the "person in charge", right?). He DECLINED, of his own volition because he didn't want to be there without National reps. Actually, it may NOT have been his decision, he might have had orders from above. By contrast, the FAPA president answers to the pilot group and no one else.

With RPC, your leadership would answer to the pilots alone.

It's certainly larger than what's in your kitty if you're having to charge special assessments. If they're charging you special assessments now, what would happen if you went on strike? Would National suddenly open up the purse?

(BTW - none of the above questions are rhetorical - I'd like honest answers)

sempergumby

I voted....RPC

RPC Unity

This is not about who has more money in the bank.

This is about where your hard earned dues dollars go, and what type of Return on Investment you get for those dollars.

Do 100% of your dues remain in-house

IBT - No, Dues are siphoned to a third party
RPC - Yes, all dues stay in-house, unless the 357 pilots decide to keep IBT, which is entirely their call

Do your dues cover critically important benefits, like LTD insurance?

IBT - No, you must purchase LTD at an additional cost
RPC - YES, LTD premium payments are included in your DUES (and the company is contractually required to pay 90% of the LTD premiums!)

Do your dues cover aeromedical services?

IBT - No, you must purchase aeromedical at an additional cost
RPC - YES, aeromedical is paid in full with a portion of your hard earned dues dollars. Ask anyone that has ever had a medical issue how critically important our aero-medical team at Virtual Flight Surgeon is when it really matters.

Have your bargaining representatives negotiated benefits that are better than the other RAH work groups?

IBT - No, you participate in the same group insurance programs as everyone else at RAH.
RPC - Yes, a special STD plan is in place that provides far superior benefits when compared to the RAH group STD.

These are just a few of the benifits that all 3000 RAH pilots can enjoy if we elect the RPC.

Before you vote, ask yourself why the IBT has decided that you are not important enough to deserve LTD, aeromedical, and STD coverage.

yetanother

I agree that you have good benefits as part of your dues, but I would assume each frontier pilot also pays more in dues. Also, isn't a vote for RPC simply a vote to allow original frontier guys to remain a separate group (getting to keep FAPA and the associated benefits), while original RAH pilots are stuck finding their own representation (or keeping ibt anyways)? I dont think you can honestly say that a vote for RPC is going to extend your benefits to the other pilot groups.... It just allows you to keep yours.

Just be honest. You'd like to remain completely separate from your RAH peers and RPC is your only hope. There is no true benefit to RAH employees in voting RPC. You have no give and take. Just you keep yours, and leave RAH pilots to continue the status quo (same representation and same whipsaw with frontier).

Feel free to correct my viewpoint if I am not understanding this correctly.

Dan Sneddon

RPC Unity,

Everything just mentioned by you in this post was negotiated by FAPA, not RPC- unless they are one and the same entity. Every line of this post has RPC by the negotiated benefit, which is in FAPA's CBA.

How many of these benefits will be amended in FAPA's current round of concessions?

You are clearly demonstrating that FAPA would thence be in charge of RPC. So, once again where are the RPC by-laws? What is to prevent a change in the 3 and 3 format of the "Council?"

In one post, you say RPC in different than FAPA, and the next (this one) you describe FAPA by replacing the name with RPC. There are even contradictions of the RPC description between you and Mulva and Faultpush, let alone F9 Driver and zooropa. Who is to say, what the actual stance is on any subject when the FAPA BOD takes different stances on areas like these?

Once again, not being emotional, just logically looking at the huge problems that RPC would cause for all the pilots of RAH.


Dan Sneddon
Capt., Republic Airlines


And yes, everyone may have noticed. Everything I post is under my name.

FAULTPUSH

Are those three things standard with ALPA? I know that aeromedical is with ALPA, but I can't believe that it isn't with the AIRLINE division of IBT.

Then perhaps you can clarify that it was YOU that chose not to come to speak to the F9 pilots. It's been going around on here that FAPA didn't want you to come.

FAULTPUSH

Consolidated to post #57

ATCsaidDoWhat

So now you've gone from "I heard" to "I think." When you had an opportunity to get answers from the person who leads the Division, you refused. And you end with the cute line about the IBT "hiding" information.

You then "suggest" that Pat didn't attend on "orders from above." Despite knowing better. So it's obviously better to claim that information is "hidden" and Pat is controlled "on orders from above."

You also "forgot" to answer the question about your "kitty." How much do you anticipate spending on the lawsuit you just filed? How much for attorneys? Experts? How much are you spending for your concessionary talks with Bedford? Everyone else wants to negotiate for more, and you're already giving up the house.

What's the offer? You'll fly for less to screw the other pilots on the property? Maybe you can take the 2 million and PAY Bedford to fly his jets.

It appears that the RPC concept of "unity" is rooted in deceit (that both groups; IBT and RPC can remain as bargaining agents), innuendo ("I heard," "Hidden," "On orders from above") or obfuscation (refusing to say how much you have budgeted from your $2 million dollar "kitty" for lawsuits and the like).

Given the lockdown, extremely detailed audit process the IBT has on finances, one can only wonder how FAPA's bools would fare in the same type of audit. Because let be honest; RPC is FAPA...FAPA is RPC.

So let's ask the question. When was the last time your books were audited? Is that information public?

Or is the information "hidden" on "orders from above?"

FAULTPUSH

1. Does Pat Gannon not even know how much money is going to National? We wanted answers from him.

2. I asked a question. I'm glad you thought it was cute, but I'd prefer and answer to compliments (or evasion?)

1. I was clear that it wasn't rhetorical, and thus not a "suggestion", but a question.

2. Once again, you lie. I asked a question - I didn't claim that.


The whole SLI case cost about $2 million, so while I'm not the treasurer, it's certainly a whole lot less than that. FAPA gets a lot of bang for the buck - dozens of LOA's without a fuss. It's called negotiating, vs demanding. It's quite apparent to me which has produced better results for its respective pilot group.


That's just pure rhetoric there.

Regarding FAPA's finances, I can call our treasurer and ask him about that, but I don't feel a need to share that with you. If you don't like that, then no need to vote for FAPA (I'm not). I'm asking the question because Teamsters IS asking for my vote.