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Local357 EXCO response to the RPC(FAPA!!)

Old 06-11-2011, 09:11 AM
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This thread cracks me up. Very entertaining & love the posts! The IBT kool-aid - amazing! Personally, it never tasted that good to me. I like the FAPA kool-aid much better now. At a couple grand a year, it's a bargain! Couldn't be happier!

Personally, I'd be happy to give my dues to RPC in support of BOTH the IBT AND FAPA. That is the only way I'd willingly give to the IBT. I'm amazed that after all the money, extra assessments, etc., that was spent on sub-standard contracts over the years, RAH pilots, including my buddies, still think IBT would be the way to go.

Uncertainty about RPC? I get it, but who has the better track record. Any one else that has worked under both would agree. I think FAPA would do a heckuva lot more than IBT for RAH pilots while keeping Hoffa in slumber (no strike). JT & Co., are amazing at getting things done for us.

Reality is, FAPA will probably cease to exist so I think I'll opt for "Pre-paid Legal." Having once been a part of RAH, I'm in awe that anyone would want to keep the IBT. IBT has done such a phenomenal job with the contracts already, why look for anything else? Right? Oh wait, I forgot, with 74's on the horizon...

At the risk of being kneecapped - RPC FOR ME!

(brought to you in part by "Pre-Paid Legal.") ;-)
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Old 06-11-2011, 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Mulva View Post
I'll throw a little credit where it is due and say:
Any pilot who has been at Republic longer than 10 years is either unhireable or unmotivated OR made a choice not to concede numerous sacrifices to his/her QOL in order to pursue what they (and an arbitrator) perceived as the "Holy Grail".
The key word being "CHOICE" and we all have the right to make them as we see fit. Aside from the wildly successful ACA debacle, the vast majority of non-Military trained "Mainline" pilots chose to leave a "lesser" job in pursuit of the mighty "Holy Grail". Some chose not to for various reasons. Some also failed in their efforts (unhireable) while some simply never tried (unmotivated).

The spade is a spade! Can we kill this one yet?
Kill what ? FAPA ? FAPA is DOA,as is RPC.There you go with that arrogance again ! But don't worry,sparky-you go show those unwashed "commuter pilots" how to skin it ! Show em' how to run an airline ! Maybe you'll last longer than Skybus.
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Old 06-11-2011, 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Wiscopilot View Post
Sweet I'm voting for RPC!!!

Wait I can do all that now....
Indeed! It already can be done!
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Old 06-11-2011, 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by frankwasright View Post
Kill what ? FAPA ? FAPA is DOA,as is RPC.There you go with that arrogance again ! But don't worry,sparky-you go show those unwashed "commuter pilots" how to skin it ! Show em' how to run an airline ! Maybe you'll last longer than Skybus.
Glad I was able to get under your skin Frank. Mission accomplished! I really don't give a $h!+ why you came to RAH or why you are still there. And about 500 time I have tried to explain to you guys that NO ONE at Frontier feels they are "superior" to you. So please quit leaning on that weak excuse. The industry is what it is. Capt. Dan hasn't "chosen" to respond as to why it is he came to work at Chautauqua some 10+ years ago instead of UAL, etc. I imagine it is because he wasn't hireable at the time, maybe due to lack of experience being fresh from a 135 job, etc. just like I was in 2001. But since then, Dan, many of you, and I have all made decisions that directly impacted our careers. I chose, to leave a "regional" job for a "mainline" job, accepting all of the associated risks and QOL impacts that came with that decision. I also got to start at year 1 FO pay exceeding 5 year Captain pay at my regional job, not to mention vastly, I mean VASTLY improved work rules than I was accustomed to. Meanwhile, some of you (and Dan) chose NOT to make the same move. I won't hold that decision against you at all as I almost made it myself. Good for you guys. You and your family are probably very happy flying day trips out of Columbus or where ever making your $70K a year. Your decision to stay does not make my any better than you. I would comfortably tell the same thing to many of my best friend who made the same decision to stay at my old regional, some of which were rejected in the efforts to gain employment at a Mainline carrier with mainline pay and work rules. That was there choice and, you know what, they would agree with me. I'm not being arrogant at all Sparky, I'm just saying it the way it is. The fact that you take such offense simply illustrates your sensitivity to the truth. I honestly don't give a frack what the reason is that you are still at RAH. But I do know (for a fact!) that you are either there because you chose to be, are unhireable, unmotivated, or simply do not yet possess the qualifications that the mainlines are looking for. Mainlines don't hire 1500 hr. CFI's (or 500 either). I had 2200 when I got hired at a regional, spent another 4 years building 121 time and 121 PIC time so that I could get a job at a mainline. With 4700 hours I barely qualified for employment with LUB with 1030 121 PIC hours. But Frontier hired my sorry arse and I am thankful for that. My time at a regional paid off. So can you stop playing the freaking "arrogance" card? That has been beat into the ground over and over.

Just curious. Does the fact that it bothers me that some dude with barely any experience that was hired at RAH after I left a regional to come to Frontier is now senior to me (well not quite yet) make me arrogant in your eyes? If it does, then you simply don't get it.

See ya round Sparky Jr.
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Old 06-11-2011, 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by FAULTPUSH View Post
Carl Kuwitzky had it right. Without a staple, it will be a long process for Air Tran and SWA.

But I'm still at a loss for why you think these letters help your case. There's very few pilots at Frontier who felt (or feel) that turning down a staple job with SWA was a bad thing, especially now that Air Tran will get an equitable integration (unless ALPA throws them under the bus like they did to TWA).
He doesn't have to prove his case to you, he proved it to the arbitrator and the NMB. They are arguably more informed and a better judge of what is "fair and equitable" than any of you guys are. At some point after this is all over you guys will realize that your beloved FAPA exco was outplayed, out-coached, and out gunned.
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Old 06-11-2011, 07:13 PM
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Gents, F9Pilot is an azzhat that is posing as a Frontier pilot.
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Old 06-12-2011, 04:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Mulva View Post
Bunch of useless drivl snipped.
What do I know,I'm just an "RJ puke" working at Steak N' Shake-can you write me a rec letter for Mortons ? Dare I say Ruth's Chris ? Am I worthy,or is SnS too lofty for me ?
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Old 06-12-2011, 05:29 AM
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Originally Posted by frankwasright View Post
What do I know,I'm just an "RJ puke" working at Steak N' Shake-can you write me a rec letter for Mortons ? Dare I say Ruth's Chris ? Am I worthy,or is SnS too lofty for me ?
It's amazing how much more civil and productive a conversation we're having over at Republic Pilots Council.
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Old 06-12-2011, 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Car Ramrod View Post
Any pilot who has been at Republic longer than 10 years is either unhireable or unmotivated. They aren't there because they think they will retire on a 747.
Tanked economy... like being home everynight......family first.... retired military wanting to be back in home town.... there are many reasons to cause those to stay at Republic more than 10 years.
Who are you to judge... everyone of is an individual with his or her needs. How dare you call anyone unhirable to unmotivated without knowing the individual!
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Old 06-12-2011, 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Kaptain View Post
Tanked economy... like being home everynight......family first.... retired military wanting to be back in home town.... there are many reasons to cause those to stay at Republic more than 10 years. !
Which was exactly the point. Thank you for elaborating on "unmotivated".
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