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Old 03-29-2016, 06:39 AM
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Supreme Court deadlock upholds win for unions in fee case
Associated Press
Tuesday, March 29, 2016 | 9 minutes ago
WASHINGTON — A tie vote from the Supreme Court on Tuesday handed a win to labor unions in a high-profile dispute over their ability to collect fees.

The justices divided 4-4 in a case that considered whether public employees represented by a union can be required to pay "fair share" fees covering collective bargaining costs even if they are not members.

The split vote leaves in place an appeals court ruling that upheld the practice.

The result is an unlikely victory for organized labor after it seemed almost certain the high court would rule 5-4 to overturn a regime in place nearly 40 years. The court is operating with only eight justices after the death of Justice Antonin Scalia, who had been expected to rule against the unions.

The one-sentence opinion does not set a national precedent and does not identify how each justice voted. It simply upholds a decision from the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals that applies to California and eight other Western states.

The union case is among a handful of high-profile disputes in which Scalia's vote was expected to tip the balance toward a result that favored the conservative justices.

Since Supreme Court decisions are not final until they are handed down, nothing Scalia did or said in connection with the case before his death mattered to the outcome.

A group of California teachers backed by a conservative group said being forced to pay union fees violated the free speech rights of nonmembers who disagree with the unions' positions. They had urged the justices to overturn a nearly 40-year-old Supreme Court decision that allows the unions to collect the fees.

The high court had raised doubts about the viability of the 1977 precedent, Abood v. Detroit Board of Education, but it stopped short of overturning it in two recent cases. In Abood, the court said public workers who choose not to join a union can be required to pay for bargaining costs if the fees don't go toward political purposes.

The lead plaintiff was Rebecca Friedrichs, a public school teacher from Orange County, California, who said she resigned from the California Teachers Association over differences but was still required to pay about $650 a year to cover bargaining costs.

The case affects more than 5 million workers in 23 states and Washington, D.C., who are represented at the bargaining table by public sector unions. Labor officials worried the potential loss of tens of millions of dollars in fees would reduce their power to bargain for higher wages and benefits for government employees.

Labor leaders called the lawsuit part of a coordinated effort by conservative groups to weaken labor rights. Union officials say the fees are necessary because it has a legal duty to represent all teachers at the bargaining table, even those who are not part of the union.
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If you benefit from the contract under which you work, you are obligated to pay your share of the cost of administering the contract. If you object to that, you are a parasite.

If an organization's political activities are contrary to your own beliefs, you are not obligated to financially support that organization. If you continue to provide that support, you are a patsy.
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Old 04-27-2016, 11:59 PM
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If you benefit from the contract under which you work, you are obligated to pay your share of the cost of administering the contract. If you object to that, you are a parasite.

If an organization's political activities are contrary to your own beliefs, you are not obligated to financially support that organization. If you continue to provide that support, you are a patsy.
Yep, either believe like your union tells you or else. Unions only work through harassment and intimidation.
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Old 04-28-2016, 02:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Hetman View Post
If you benefit from the contract under which you work, you are obligated to pay your share of the cost of administering the contract. If you object to that, you are a parasite.

If an organization's political activities are contrary to your own beliefs, you are not obligated to financially support that organization. If you continue to provide that support, you are a patsy.
Well said. Union political activities are funded, in ALPA's case anyway, by political action committees. ALPAPAC does not recieve one cent of dues money.
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Old 08-28-2016, 04:11 PM
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How am I benefitting from a crap contract that ALPA sent us here at DAL? How does that benefit me? How many times does ALPA get to screw me before I'm no longer forced to offer blind loyalty?
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How am I benefitting from a crap contract that ALPA sent us here at DAL? How does that benefit me? How many times does ALPA get to screw me before I'm no longer forced to offer blind loyalty?
Rob, have you read Flying the Line? If not do so.
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I do have a question about the PAC.


Who is in it on behalf of ALPA? Is it possible to get a list of all ALPA PAC support personnel and what their job descriptions are?
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Yep, either believe like your union tells you or else. Unions only work through harassment and intimidation.
And theft.

Stealing money from people is how they operate.


Why not make it voluntary?
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Originally Posted by MartinBishop View Post
And theft.

Stealing money from people is how they operate.


Why not make it voluntary?
It is: if you don't want to be a part of a union shop, do not apply to or accept employment at one. No one is forcing you to.

Or is that not fair because all the pilot jobs with the best work rules, pay, and benefits are union represen... Oh wait.

Good luck with your career, Martin.
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Further, what you propose (taking all the benefit without contributing to the cause) is more truly more akin to theft.

You're the guy who drives on the roads, sends his kids to public school, and dials 911 without a thought, but then balks at contributing his fair share because he's a principled tea-partier...
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