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Dear MartinBaker, why don't you just go to work for the national foundation for the right to work? It is or used to be in Lynchburg Virginia..You would like it there.....I have worked for 8 non-union operators and 2 union ones. As a working pilot, unions certainly aren't perfect but a totally non-union aviation operation really really sucks. Since it is quite obvious that you have never worked as a pilot, you wouldn't know this, and are therefore in your "cocoon of bliss"...And really like it there..If you want to be happy, go to work for an anti-union foundation where everyone thinks like you. Because If you fly for an airline you will be unhappy. We have by experience chosen unions, and will continue to do so.. Why do airlines have unions? Because they deserve them.
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I am not anti-union, I am anti-forced unionism. Being required to pay dues to some union boss just to gain employment is coercion and is immoral.
I actually think the safety aspect of unionism is a good thing, and I would probably join one of my own free will. But it should be a choice, not a mandate. |
Originally Posted by MartinBishop
(Post 2196170)
I am not anti-union, I am anti-forced unionism. Being required to pay dues to some union boss just to gain employment is coercion and is immoral.
I actually think the safety aspect of unionism is a good thing, and I would probably join one of my own free will. But it should be a choice, not a mandate. You're welcome. |
Originally Posted by gettinbumped
(Post 2196175)
Since you aren't an airline pilot yet, you can choose to work for a non-union regional. Don't come to a major (particularly mine) and spew that crap. You don't have a right to speak for me. You want the union to do all the heavy lifting and you reap the benefits.... you just want me and my Union brothers and sisters to pay for it. That's not the way things work over here, so perhaps you would be happier just becoming a lifer at SkyWest. Of course, you DO realize that THEIR contract is essentially bought and paid for by Union Pilots at OTHER airlines through pattern bargaining, right?
You're welcome. |
Originally Posted by MartinBishop
(Post 2196170)
I am not anti-union, I am anti-forced unionism. Being required to pay dues to some union boss just to gain employment is coercion and is immoral.
I actually think the safety aspect of unionism is a good thing, and I would probably join one of my own free will. But it should be a choice, not a mandate. Nobody is forced to join union. You are not forced to work anywhere, you make the choice. You may want to work at an airline that happens to be union and thats not just a coincidence, better places are union places. Once SKyWest gets their act together, its all union. Once at the union airline, you are not forced to join a union, but you will have to pay a fee because like it or not, those wages and benefits were negotiated using union money and its union money that keeps the company honest with upholding the contract between bargaining cycles, in the forms of grievances and arbitration hearings. And I guarantee you that you would be the first on the phone to the union when you misstep the company is wanting your behind in a sling. I now forbid you form posting anything else in the Majors Forum until you have learned how to do a lazy 8 or a chandelle. |
Originally Posted by MartinBishop
(Post 2196170)
I am not anti-union, I am anti-forced unionism. Being required to pay dues to some union boss just to gain employment is coercion and is immoral.
I actually think the safety aspect of unionism is a good thing, and I would probably join one of my own free will. But it should be a choice, not a mandate. |
Martin...
When you were a freshman did you go around telling the seniors "how it is"? Why do you think this scenario is any different? |
Originally Posted by MartinBishop
(Post 2196257)
You apparently have a reading comprehension problem
As mentioned, lots of shops out there that you can exercise you desire not to be forced into paying union dues. Just remember that any gains you obtain at those places are most likely do to the pattern bargaining that's typical in this industry, and the vast majority of pilots who have fought for those gains have paid their dues while you have just enjoyed the spoils. I'm guessing you resent paying taxes on the money you earn at work, too. That's not "optional" either, so why not pick up that crusade? |
No one should be forced to pay union dues as a condition of employment, it is unjust. That's not being anti-union, it is being pro-freedom. 80% of Americans agree, according to Gallup.
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