View Poll Results: T/A Vote Yes or No
Yes
50
9.38%
No
483
90.62%
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Yes or No
06-25-2022, 04:33 AM
#41
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: SFO Guppy CA
Posts: 1,112
Originally Posted by aviator249
I can almost promise you there’s another bullet in the chamber the company has ready should this fail but what that is I think depends on how badly or fails, which is why this turd should he overwhelmingly voted down. The sell job will try and scare you about a possible recession but not matter what agreement we have, the company will come asking for concessions in a recession anyways. I’d much rather take the agreement we have now into a downtown than the “fix all the companies problems” TA presented to us. Say goodbye to premium pay and enjoy 91 hour lines 25% of the year among other awful provisions if it passes.
Maybe it should go back? Like I said, I’m really undecided. I was hoping to see some creative approaches to solving some of our scheduling and QOL issues. That’s not in this TA!!! It’s just add pay, add pay, add pay…. The Company will figure out how (if they already haven’t) how to minimize their exposure to paying add pay.
06-25-2022, 04:48 AM
#43
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2018
Posts: 2,352
Originally Posted by DashTrash
I cannot remember an airline ever having a second bullet in the chamber. In my memory, it has always taken a significant amount of just to get back to the table. It took Delta a long time, but they recalled their MEC and NC which took extra time. They also got retro pay when they did sign a deal. But they got moderate gains when they got TA2. That’s kind of the history when pilots vote down TAs.
Maybe it should go back? Like I said, I’m really undecided. I was hoping to see some creative approaches to solving some of our scheduling and QOL issues. That’s not in this TA!!! It’s just add pay, add pay, add pay…. The Company will figure out how (if they already haven’t) how to minimize their exposure to paying add pay.
Maybe it should go back? Like I said, I’m really undecided. I was hoping to see some creative approaches to solving some of our scheduling and QOL issues. That’s not in this TA!!! It’s just add pay, add pay, add pay…. The Company will figure out how (if they already haven’t) how to minimize their exposure to paying add pay.
06-25-2022, 05:36 AM
#45
Line Holder
Joined APC: Nov 2014
Posts: 67
The MEC, NC and every LEC rep that voted for this should be recalled ASAP. We should start a picket campaign outside all of our hubs. Kirby’s United Next plan will feel the pressure. This contract is a slap in the face. A free Tumi suitcase sounds like an add in attempt at humor by the company and our own NC. Pathetic. I’m embarrassed that this is what our Union allowed to happen.
06-25-2022, 06:18 AM
#46
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Joined APC: Mar 2015
Posts: 963
Vote yes to the current contract. It has many improvements over the TA.
Contract 2012 Highlights vs. TA 2022
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10:00 first day reserve.
Expect massive PPU from training pipeline and reserve rules.
Landings are the company's problem.
50 seat scope makes larger aircraft preferable.
125% add pay for untriggered reassignments.
Less variable line construction rules.
0% raise over 18 months but option to negotiate or strike.
Contract 2012 Highlights vs. TA 2022
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10:00 first day reserve.
Expect massive PPU from training pipeline and reserve rules.
Landings are the company's problem.
50 seat scope makes larger aircraft preferable.
125% add pay for untriggered reassignments.
Less variable line construction rules.
0% raise over 18 months but option to negotiate or strike.
06-25-2022, 06:37 AM
#47
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2009
Posts: 5,191
Originally Posted by Merle Haggard;[url=tel:3447736
3447736[/url]]My read is that Hamilton is pretty much an angry pit bull just waiting for the membership to unleash him so that he can put a massive @$$ whipping on Kirby.
The company needs this contract more than we do. Remember that.
06-25-2022, 06:42 AM
#48
Line Holder
Joined APC: Feb 2009
Position: Same Day, 1/2 Pay
Posts: 48
This things a Turd with Poopy flavored icing on top.
Annual Inflation
2021 7.0%
2022 8.6% (so far)
2023 3.0% (being kind here)
2024 3.0% (and here)
21.6% cummulative
Pay Raise 14% - 21.6% YOY Inflation = -7.6% (a PAY CUT )
Annual Inflation
2021 7.0%
2022 8.6% (so far)
2023 3.0% (being kind here)
2024 3.0% (and here)
21.6% cummulative
Pay Raise 14% - 21.6% YOY Inflation = -7.6% (a PAY CUT )
06-25-2022, 07:11 AM
#50
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2018
Position: A320 FO
Posts: 255
Originally Posted by hamsandwich
How accurate are these polls? I recall seeing one during the pandemic LOA but can’t remember the specific yes/no ratio here compared to the actual vote.
