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Old 03-08-2017, 05:21 AM
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Looks like Boeing is finally getting back to a "MOM" jet. Interesting.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-03-07/united-looks-at-boeing-s-paper-plane-and-likes-what-it-sees?cmpid=yhoo.headline
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Old 03-08-2017, 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Fresh View Post
Looks like Boeing is finally getting back to a "MOM" jet. Interesting.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...=yhoo.headline
"My bet would be that since the -9 isn't really capable of replacing the 757, and the timing is better, that our -9 orders will be converted to the -10's. Boeing is just now working on the -10, and is pushing pretty hard. They are way late to the party. Since they are still working on specs, it's not a sure thing that is will have trans-Atlantic capability. Saying the -9 can to London, is a bit of a stretch. Yes, it could do London, but not with much in it.

Timing will be critical. 737-10's or 321neo's? It will greatly depend on the fleet review and when UAL wants to replace our remaining 757's.

Then again, when Boeing started the -9, it was going to be the last stretch. Now, the-10 is really going to be the last....it desperately needs a new wing."


Well, this throws a wrench into the pot!! Completely invalidates all my assumptions from the other thread. Maybe this is why the fleet plan has been so delayed. UAL back to being a launch customer for Boeing? That hasn't happened in a very long time. Maybe we are an airline after all.
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Originally Posted by Fresh View Post
Looks like Boeing is finally getting back to a "MOM" jet. Interesting.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...=yhoo.headline
Nice!
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Old 03-08-2017, 03:27 PM
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I posted this on the b737-max thread by mistake:

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/united-could-add-used-777s-as-it-evaluates-widebody-434915/
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Originally Posted by Beeforchicken View Post
I posted this on the b737-max thread by mistake:

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...debody-434915/
Can you paste the article? I'm not making an account to read it.
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Old 03-08-2017, 05:39 PM
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Boeing has a huge problem, and it is called 321NEO. No matter what they do from scratch, it is going to cost a lot more than a 321, as Airbus has fully amortized the cost of development a long time ago.

They will have to knock it out of the park with efficiency to be able to sell many. Probably at least 20% better than the 321.

I always thought they screwed the pooch with the NG. When they redesigned the wing, they should have put longer landing gear on it. It would still be a guppy, but at least it would still be relevant in sales. The NEO is killing the MAX, and it will kill any new design on cost.
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United Airlines could acquire used Boeing 777-300ERs, as it continues to evaluate the future of its widebody fleet.

“We may sprinkle in some used ones,” says Andrew Levy, chief financial officer of the Chicago-based carrier, referring to the 777-300ER on the sidelines of the ISTAT Americas conference in San Diego.

United does not plan to order any additional new 777-300ERs beyond the 14 it ordered in 2015, he adds.

Executives at the airline have spoken frequently and positively about the potential for adding used aircraft, especially widebodies, to its fleet since Levy became its chief financial officer in August 2016.

The values of certain widebody variants and vintages have slipped during the past 18 months, as aircraft have come off lease and caused a sudden influx into the market. However, used widebodies have higher reconfiguration costs than narrowbodies due to airlines’ often bespoke long-haul interior specifications.

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The size of United's widebody fleet is in question as it continues to discuss the future of its order for 35 Airbus A350-1000s with the European airframer, an order Levy said it was considering “different alternatives” to in February. The airline launched a widebody fleet review last fall, following the conversion and deferral of 61 of the 65 Boeing 737-700s it had on order.

At ISTAT, Levy reiterates his own and other executive’s recent comments that the carrier continues to evaluate the future of the A350 order.

Asked if the airline would look at converting the A350 order to A330neos to replace its ageing Boeing 767s, he replied: "We think [the A330-900] is more airplane than we need.”

Levy points to the size of the A330-900, which Airbus says can carry 287 passengers in a three-class configuration, compared to the 767s as an issue.

United configures its 767-300ERs with 214 seats and its 767-400ERs with 242 seats.

Scott Kirby, president of United, said in January that the 767 was the only aircraft that it does not have "line of sight" to a replacement yet.

Levy speaks positively of Boeing's middle-of-the-market concept, which could include two variants sized between 225 and 260 seats designed to replace longer-haul Boeing 757s as well as 767s.

Two aircraft types United is not considering are the Airbus A380 and Boeing 747-8, says Levy.

“The 777-300ERs is what we consider the biggest airplane we’d feel comfortable with,” he says, reiterating a long-held view at United.
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Old 03-08-2017, 07:19 PM
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I have lots of hours in the 767 and love it, but an exec at United 25 years ago said: "We want more seats, not more aisles." A narrow body is 6 across, with 1 aisle. The 767 is 7 across, and 2 aisles. You get a airplane 40% bigger and heavier, for only 15% more seat capacity. Not a good trade off.

I think the MOM will be a long narrow body. Maybe Boeing will "dumb it down" with a smaller wing, engines, and landing gear for a modern narrow body replacement.

Fuselage in 3 lengths, two different wings and engines for different missions.

And it won't sell very well because the 321 will already own the market, and they can sell it for half the price as the new Boeing.

Boeing dug themselves a 737 hole and are now stuck in it.
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All UA A-350's will be based in MCO.
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Old 03-15-2017, 03:22 AM
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Originally Posted by SeamusTheHound View Post
All UA A-350's will be based in MCO.
You beat me to it.
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