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Andy 03-04-2017 11:04 AM

402Drvr, if you aren't able to get assigned EWR during the class drop, you could talk to the indoc instructors. They should be able to make something happen so that you get EWR before you're done with training. EWR and SFO are the most junior bases.

402DRVR 03-04-2017 11:16 AM

Thanks Andy that's good to hear. Thanks to everyone for the info. The app is updated so hopefully the call comes sometime. Will start keeping an eye out for job fairs too.

crflyer 03-04-2017 01:27 PM

Examples that are better at some LCCs and regionals include credit towards guarantee for field standby (4 hours) or no field standby all together, no flexible days off (so not worried about getting rolled once a month), short and long call lines so long calls aren't constantly converted, ability to pick up on off days, ability to trade reserve assignments not yet started for something else that appears, etc.

Triumph, do you not think I have grounds to say what I said, as if I haven't actually been on reserve anywhere? Why would you say "not likely" to the idea that reserve is better at a regional? It is, which means we should strive to improve. Reserve at UA ranks third out of 3 for me because I've experienced better, and I'm not alone. I've lived in base and out of base for all 3 companies. Again, I'm very happy to be here but we need improvements to QOL for reserves.

Just my two cents on reserve needing some work, I don't mean to drift on the thread. To the OP, I hope things work out the best that they can. United is a good place to be.

svergin 03-04-2017 02:41 PM

Getting EWR is super easy.

It used to be that we were forcing all new hires to EWR and they were all trying to get to other bases. Most of that was a result of post-merge when the United bases were opened up and all of a sudden there are bases all over the country so pilots bailed out of EWR as fast as possible.

Then after they forced enough people in there, the company decided to back off flying in IAH and ramp up ORD, IAD, and SFO so those bases have had a lot of new flying pushed to them. EWR isn't going anywhere. It was a base for both legacies for decades.

EWR should be a piece of cake to get.

Aquaticus 03-04-2017 03:07 PM


Originally Posted by crflyer (Post 2313834)
Examples that are better at some LCCs and regionals include credit towards guarantee for field standby (4 hours) or no field standby all together, no flexible days off (so not worried about getting rolled once a month), short and long call lines so long calls aren't constantly converted, ability to pick up on off days, ability to trade reserve assignments not yet started for something else that appears, etc.

Triumph, do you not think I have grounds to say what I said, as if I haven't actually been on reserve anywhere? Why would you say "not likely" to the idea that reserve is better at a regional? It is, which means we should strive to improve. Reserve at UA ranks third out of 3 for me because I've experienced better, and I'm not alone. I've lived in base and out of base for all 3 companies. Again, I'm very happy to be here but we need improvements to QOL for reserves.

Just my two cents on reserve needing some work, I don't mean to drift on the thread. To the OP, I hope things work out the best that they can. United is a good place to be.

I think you are misinformed about other peoples reserve rules. I did the same route as you (regional and lcc) and this is the most civilized out of all of them. At the regional it didnt matter what the work rules were because you were going to be utilized 90+% of the time. At the "feel good", everyone is on the same team LCC you had zero control over your short call assignments and there wasn't any way to control what trips you got tagged with. Being paid for field standby only matters if you are aiming to break guarantee and as a local in base a field standby is a way for me to pad monthly guarantee. I have averaged high 70's every month while only working 20 hours a month.

This isnt a perfect system but it beats everything I have known or heard of. I think you are in the minority with your opinion.

crflyer 03-04-2017 03:18 PM


Originally Posted by Aquaticus (Post 2313884)
I think you are misinformed about other peoples reserve

This isnt a perfect system but it beats everything I have known or heard of. I think you are in the minority with your opinion.

How can this possibly be a matter of being misinformed? I was there and I said that multiple times.

You're welcome to have your own opinion based on your own experience. Obviously that's different from mine. Being in the minority doesn't mean it's incorrect. If you like the reserve here better than where you came from, that's fine. I don't. It is civilized, as you mentioned. However it still is in need of improvement, and what I gave as examples are tidbits I have valued in the past.

YMMV. Cheers

Aviatorr 03-04-2017 03:36 PM

Perhaps if you get the offer you can "consider the jump" I've got bros who are 320 CAs with master degrees who can't get a call here........

Triumph 03-04-2017 04:49 PM


Originally Posted by crflyer (Post 2313834)
Examples that are better at some LCCs and regionals include credit towards guarantee for field standby (4 hours) or no field standby all together, no flexible days off (so not worried about getting rolled once a month), short and long call lines so long calls aren't constantly converted, ability to pick up on off days, ability to trade reserve assignments not yet started for something else that appears, etc.

Triumph, do you not think I have grounds to say what I said, as if I haven't actually been on reserve anywhere? Why would you say "not likely" to the idea that reserve is better at a regional? It is, which means we should strive to improve. Reserve at UA ranks third out of 3 for me because I've experienced better, and I'm not alone. I've lived in base and out of base for all 3 companies. Again, I'm very happy to be here but we need improvements to QOL for reserves.

Just my two cents on reserve needing some work, I don't mean to drift on the thread. To the OP, I hope things work out the best that they can. United is a good place to be.


I'd have no interest in getting 4 hours towards guarantee for a field standby as I have yet to come anywhere near breaking guarantee. I'd much rather have an hour of pay after the 2nd short call / field stby (something no other legacy that I know of offers).

I'm pretty junior and intentionally bid reserve because I like getting paid to sit at home with my family.... But I live in domicile.

Again, I realize the rules could use improvement for those that commute. But if you live in domicile there really isn't a lot to complain about.

Triumph

UALinIAH 03-04-2017 11:45 PM


Originally Posted by Triumph (Post 2313956)
Again, I realize the rules could use improvement for those that commute. But if you live in domicile there really isn't a lot to complain about.

Triumph

And therein lies the rub. Do the 90%+ who don't commute to reserve give up something for the few who chose to commute to reserve?

Reserve isn't always choice in down times, but commuting is 100% a choice. The domestic people I know on RSV who live in domicile absolutely think it's a great gig.
Global reserves do have it worse. I'd definitely support treating all reserves the same.

gettinbumped 03-05-2017 05:35 AM


Originally Posted by UALinIAH (Post 2314098)
And therein lies the rub. Do the 90%+ who don't commute to reserve give up something for the few who chose to commute to reserve?

Reserve isn't always choice in down times, but commuting is 100% a choice. The domestic people I know on RSV who live in domicile absolutely think it's a great gig.
Global reserves do have it worse. I'd definitely support treating all reserves the same.

No dog in this fight as I'm nowhere near reserve and am not familiar at all with whether or not it's decent or terrible: but there is no way in God's Green Earth 90+% of system reserves are local considering around 50% of the airline commutes.


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