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okieskies99 03-15-2017 09:39 AM

Backwards seniority?
 
I noticed this a few times, but was always curious why CCS does this. System Seniority number will actually go up in CCS. I figured that it was because of returning furloughees. Someone mentioned that they're already accounted for in the System Seniority numbers (all leaves/absences should still be), and that everyone was offered a return last fall, so that shouldn't be it. Not a big deal, just curious to understand CCS a little more. Example: Someone's Sys Senioty will be 9300 for a few weeks, then one day will go up to 9301.

MasterOfPuppets 03-15-2017 09:50 AM


Originally Posted by okieskies99 (Post 2321098)
I noticed this a few times, but was always curious why CCS does this. System Seniority number will actually go up in CCS. I figured that it was because of returning furloughees. Someone mentioned that they're already accounted for in the System Seniority numbers (all leaves/absences should still be), and that everyone was offered a return last fall, so that shouldn't be it. Not a big deal, just curious to understand CCS a little more. Example: Someone's Sys Senioty will be 9300 for a few weeks, then one day will go up to 9301.

The furloughed pilots are already in CCS as well as all other leaves and absences. sometimes CCS gets a little messed up I'v seen numbers skipped before and when it gets corrected my number moves up or down. I'm sure it is just garbage in garbage out with retiring pilots being removed.

On a side note furloughed pilots have to start making their comeback or resign decisions starting next summer.

pilotgolfer 03-15-2017 01:09 PM


Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets (Post 2321111)

On a side note furloughed pilots have to start making their comeback or resign decisions starting next summer.

Any estimates on how many guys/gals are still out? 200? 300? I can name at least 30 on the list that are gainfully employed elsewhere that aren't coming back.

MasterOfPuppets 03-15-2017 01:54 PM


Originally Posted by pilotgolfer (Post 2321285)
Any estimates on how many guys/gals are still out? 200? 300? I can name at least 30 on the list that are gainfully employed elsewhere that aren't coming back.

Not a clue I did an informal count of all ULA pilots and it was around 500 so I would guess 300-400.

cadetdrivr 03-15-2017 01:58 PM

The "senior" furloghees (cough) can now hold narrowbody CA in EWR/SFO and FO on everything.

Will be interesting to see how many return when forced to decide.

The last time this happened (2007) there was quite a wave of pilots to return in the last few months before the clock ran out.

Shrek 03-15-2017 04:18 PM


Originally Posted by cadetdrivr (Post 2321322)
The "senior" furloghees (cough) can now hold narrowbody CA in EWR/SFO and FO on everything.

Will be interesting to see how many return when forced to decide.

The last time this happened (2007) there was quite a wave of pilots to return in the last few months before the clock ran out.

Fully expect that to be the case again

UAL T38 Phlyer 03-15-2017 05:52 PM

II see this too, and believe it is a presentation of your "live" seniority. This means everyone in long and short term leaves is subtracted, and you "move up" from your real number....which seems to be the one shown for vacancy bids.

If someone was on leave and comes back (senior to you), this "live" seniority (shown on the Staffing Report on CCS, or your PBS seniority) moves "backwards."

I see it happen periodically, and it is the only scenario that makes sense to me.

BeeWatcher 03-16-2017 01:14 PM


Originally Posted by cadetdrivr (Post 2321322)
The "senior" furloghees (cough) can now hold narrowbody CA in EWR/SFO and FO on everything.

Will be interesting to see how many return when forced to decide.

The last time this happened (2007) there was quite a wave of pilots to return in the last few months before the clock ran out.

More than 2 out of 3 will come back...I keep in contact with a few. They are a bit gunshy and want to build a nice big cushion between themselves and a third furlough. They also continue to acrue longevity and will return with Widebody FO/ Narrowbody Captain seniority. Several are now Captains for LCCs and with 2 horses in the race why rush back...

C-17 Driver 03-16-2017 02:42 PM

I don't think they're accruing longevity anymore. They'll keep their seniority.

full of luv 03-16-2017 04:43 PM


Originally Posted by C-17 Driver (Post 2322126)
I don't think they're accruing longevity anymore. They'll keep their seniority.

That would be a spectacular deal to keep longevity at both companies....


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