Attarian: Virtual Bases still a “Great Idea"
I have it on first hand authority HA himself said exactly this a while back. He also said he’s personally brought up the subject with our MEC Chair. For anyone who remembers previous threads I’ve participated in regarding the subject of Virtual/Satellite/Sub Bases, you might imagine my delight at learning this. However….
After all the vague warnings of possible “unintended consequences” (glug, glug, burp), I actually thought up one on my own that I won’t detail on an open forum. In general I realized how some pilots might effectively be ‘forced into’ a Virtual Base. That is obviously unacceptable. But, as circumstances change, this possible “consequence” might be rendered moot by other events. Also, I have a better sense now of how difficult it can be to influence the MEC. Now I never imagined it would be easy, but after observing a separate/noncontroversial LEC resolution get nowhere at the MEC level I see no point in the near-term pursuit of something far more divisive which I’d be lucky to even get approved at the LEC level. Meanwhile, I do not believe DAL’s own VB test has even started yet. If DAL is successful I imagine that UAL might bring the subject up with us again anyways when contract negotiations open next year. Or not. Been a little dull on the Forums lately. Peace out. |
Seen this discussed a lot, but I still don't understand exactly how a supposed virtual base would work. Understand a lot of guys are against the idea... have yet to get a nuts and bolts FM systems diagram to form my own opinion.
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The DAL guys were probably foaming at the mouth at the thought of a VB in PNS and Fort Walton Beach. 2000 slots in each place.
Probably won't work. If United had only one narrow body fleet type, I could see VB's having a chance. We have 3, including 757's. Marketing changes trip pairings weekly. Too complicated. |
I wonder if HA still thinks pilots that are virtually based need to cover their own sick calls?
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The companies want Virtual basing for flexibility and because no investors have the stomach for actual new hubs unless you are a new entry to the market.
If DL or UAL have a virtual base in FL, investors will go crazy with doom and gloom. Both carriers need a FL base, probably UAL more than DL, but IMO the investors are preventing any appearance of expansion. |
Originally Posted by Zoomie
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The companies want Virtual basing for flexibility and because no investors have the stomach for actual new hubs unless you are a new entry to the market.
If DL or UAL have a virtual base in FL, investors will go crazy with doom and gloom. Both carriers need a FL base, probably UAL more than DL, but IMO the investors are preventing any appearance of expansion. You have to ask yourself, why do ALPA and the company disagree on virtual basing? The VP of flight ops thinks it's a "great idea" but the MEC won't even discuss it under the model the company proposes. Why? |
Originally Posted by awax
(Post 2329666)
You have to ask yourself, why do ALPA and the company disagree on virtual basing? The VP of flight ops thinks it's a "great idea" but the MEC won't even discuss it under the model the company proposes. Why?
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Originally Posted by awax
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You have to ask yourself, why do ALPA and the company disagree on virtual basing? The VP of flight ops thinks it's a "great idea" but the MEC won't even discuss it under the model the company proposes. Why?
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How does reserve staffing work with virtual basing? I like the idea, however I just can't see how it makes sense from a company scheduling standpoint. I think maybe they think that we'll give something up for it if it's actually implemented.
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Originally Posted by El Guapo
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How does reserve staffing work with virtual basing? I like the idea, however I just can't see how it makes sense from a company scheduling standpoint. I think maybe they think that we'll give something up for it if it's actually implemented.
Last time this concept came up the company could not "justify" reserves. So if you were sick you needed to trade out of the trip or find somebody else in your virtual base to pick up the flying. Meanwhile, pilots in the existing bases were opposed to the loss of "their" flying. The plan went nowhere. |
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