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Old 04-29-2017, 04:38 AM
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Im actually familiar with all of that, Last I saw however the family was still fighting for a CAL liability ruling and were the last ones standing making that fight. Settlement isn't the same thing. Kind of like UAL settling for what occurred on a Republic RJ. Surprised you don't know the difference.
Are you talking about Colgan 3407? If so I'd say there's a difference between it and Republic 3411. The latter was the fault of a United gate agent, not the Republic crew.
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I believe any gate agent would have had problems when Republic last minute throws DH crewmembers on a full airplane.

Especially if it were already boarded, which I don't know it was or not.
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I believe any gate agent would have had problems when Republic last minute throws DH crewmembers on a full airplane.



Especially if it were already boarded, which I don't know it was or not.


United locks sked out of adding crews to a DH 30 min prior to departure (60 mins with the new guidelines) so that would have been prior to boarding. Try again.


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50 seat weight restrictions are UALs fault, got it. 9 hour delays with zero flow control on a VFR day, still UALs fault. Not a rant, observation. Our Express carriers need to suck less.

Im actually familiar with all of that, Last I saw however the family was still fighting for a CAL liability ruling and were the last ones standing making that fight. Settlement isn't the same thing. Kind of like UAL settling for what occurred on a Republic RJ. Surprised you don't know the difference.
This is exactly the doublethink I was referencing in my previous post: 'not our fault, we just hired them and set up their operation and made them fly this exact aircraft on this exact frequency, sold the tickets, advertised the flight, designed the cabin, set up the food and beverage, bought the gates, bought the slots, contracted the MX program for them and sent in some of our people to shadow management, but no. Not our problem, we made all the decisions but it's their fault.' It's United's fault. It's United's fault when MESA/TSA/GOJETS/SKYWEST makes the news, or Colgan beefs it.
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50 seat weight restrictions are UALs fault, got it. 9 hour delays with zero flow control on a VFR day, still UALs fault. Not a rant, observation. Our Express carriers need to suck less.

Im actually familiar with all of that, Last I saw however the family was still fighting for a CAL liability ruling and were the last ones standing making that fight. Settlement isn't the same thing. Kind of like UAL settling for what occurred on a Republic RJ. Surprised you don't know the difference.
And who agrees to the outsourced suckey feed? Who agrees to replace one sucky feeder for another?

Surprised you can't figure it out.
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Originally Posted by 4V14T0R View Post
United locks sked out of adding crews to a DH 30 min prior to departure (60 mins with the new guidelines) so that would have been prior to boarding. Try again.


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Umm I got on to a DH 5 mins b4 the door closes (prior to policy change). So deafguppy is somewhat acurrate
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And who agrees to the outsourced suckey feed? Who agrees to replace one sucky feeder for another?

Surprised you can't figure it out.
Aaaaaaand this is why we're fighting tooth and nail to take it back. Being the outsourcee isn't an excuse to say "well you hired us so it's your fault."
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Originally Posted by 4V14T0R View Post
United locks sked out of adding crews to a DH 30 min prior to departure (60 mins with the new guidelines) so that would have been prior to boarding. Try again.
That's not true. I've been put on a DH by crew scheduling less than 30 minutes prior to departure.

In the ORD incident, the DH crew was scheduled on an earlier flight which had an extended maintenance delay. Republic crew scheduling moved them to the incident flight only minutes before its scheduled departure. It's likely that the agent was unaware of this until the crew members walked up to the gate during boarding. There is no alert that pops up on the boarding screen in Aero when last minute PS passengers are added.

DHs within 60 minutes of departure are now prohibited UNLESS there are seats available. If there are seats, they can still add last minute DHs.
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Aaaaaaand this is why we're fighting tooth and nail to take it back. Being the outsourcee isn't an excuse to say "well you hired us so it's your fault."
Never said it was.......

The pilots that voted in scope give on the mid term ESOP and contract 2000 combined with the BK era and since practices is.
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Never said it was.......

The pilots that voted in scope give on the mid term ESOP and contract 2000 combined with the BK era and since practices is.
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