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Old 04-30-2017, 11:25 AM
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Are the minimums to get into this CFI program the same as enrolling into the CPP at ExpressJet or CommutAir?
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Old 04-30-2017, 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Student01 View Post
Are the minimums to get into this CFI program the same as enrolling into the CPP at ExpressJet or CommutAir?
No because to get into the CPP at ExpressJet and commutAir you need to get hired by them......

Its still not a short cut Student01 it says you need to get your degree.
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Old 04-30-2017, 12:07 PM
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Its still not a short cut Student01 it says you need to get your degree.
And take a flying lesson.
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Old 04-30-2017, 12:15 PM
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With all the Hogan discussion here I went to a website last year just out of curiosity and paid $40 to take the test. If you've taken it and gotten the interview, congrats. For some employed here without having to have jumped through that hoop, they are probably thankful.

https://www.jobtestprep.com/hogan-hp...htMRoCcVDw_wcB
That's all fine, but it's a CONFIRMED FACT, what fits into a "passing" HPI score a moving target as dictated by BK.
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Old 04-30-2017, 01:25 PM
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That's all fine, but it's a CONFIRMED FACT, what fits into a "passing" HPI score a moving target as dictated by BK.
I agree. It's not pass/fail, it's simply a profile of tendencies. When I took it, it not only noted the tendencies but some analysis of what an employer may not consider positive--too much of this, too little of that. I don't know if UAL gets that analysis, or how they use it (computer screens out outliers) but whatever info they get is going to be subjectively analyzed by a person at some point.
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Old 04-30-2017, 02:57 PM
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I agree. It's not pass/fail, it's simply a profile of tendencies. When I took it, it not only noted the tendencies but some analysis of what an employer may not consider positive--too much of this, too little of that. I don't know if UAL gets that analysis, or how they use it (computer screens out outliers) but whatever info they get is going to be subjectively analyzed by a person at some point.
Well, sort of. But like an MMPI, it simply spits out a personality "type". That "type" has to fall within whatever the employer sets or determines.

What I'm saying is, it's CONFINRMED FACT that UAL alters the boundaries/parameters.

There's been guys that took it an unsat'd, then got it a year later and answered the SAME and got through it.

A candidate to take and pass the HPI one day, then in a fantasy land take the test at a later date after the boundaries/parameters have been changed and NOT Be successful.
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Old 04-30-2017, 05:41 PM
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Well, sort of. But like an MMPI, it simply spits out a personality "type". That "type" has to fall within whatever the employer sets or determines.

What I'm saying is, it's CONFINRMED FACT that UAL alters the boundaries/parameters.

There's been guys that took it an unsat'd, then got it a year later and answered the SAME and got through it.

A candidate to take and pass the HPI one day, then in a fantasy land take the test at a later date after the boundaries/parameters have been changed and NOT Be successful.
Purely out of intellectual curiosity, I would love to see the results if all employees took the MMPI.

Mgt question: would you willingly waste a dollar to screw a lower paid employee out of a nickel?

FA question: would it be wrong to call in sick for a 3 day because you didn't want to leave your 4 cats home alone on a school night?
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Old 05-01-2017, 09:34 AM
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FA question: would it be wrong to call in sick for a 3 day because you didn't want to leave your 4 cats home alone on a school night?
Trick question!

No FA has 'only' 4 cats....
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Old 05-01-2017, 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by John Carr View Post
Well, sort of. But like an MMPI, it simply spits out a personality "type". That "type" has to fall within whatever the employer sets or determines.

What I'm saying is, it's CONFINRMED FACT that UAL alters the boundaries/parameters.

There's been guys that took it an unsat'd, then got it a year later and answered the SAME and got through it.

A candidate to take and pass the HPI one day, then in a fantasy land take the test at a later date after the boundaries/parameters have been changed and NOT Be successful.

And? Every employer who uses standardized personality tests does so in order to hire a certain personality type. Hogan, MMPI, any of the other inventory tests....none of them are static. This is not news.

Inventories are simply tools that organizational psychologists can use to "tune" a workgroup, and yes, it IS a moving target.

So your point?
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And? Every employer who uses standardized personality tests does so in order to hire a certain personality type. Hogan, MMPI, any of the other inventory tests....none of them are static. This is not news.

Inventories are simply tools that organizational psychologists can use to "tune" a workgroup, and yes, it IS a moving target.

So your point?
I was simply saying, one can look at/take a practice HPI, it really doesn't matter.

And besides, it's not like DAL where if a candidate doesn't fit into the parameters the HR folks let them get a redux and tell them how to answer to pass and get hired
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