3/4 UA pilots won't do this:
 

1. MEC Contract survey.

That's right: 3/4 haven't done theirs.

But they WILL get on APC and bisch about how cropy their next contract is and how ALPA doesn't listen to them.....:rolleyes:

Did it a week ago....10 mins tops.


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Done.
Requested a two engine pay band.

😉

Did mine a couple of weeks ago!

Did you hear that 4 out of 5 doctors recommends united airlines? La la la la

Newest guy on the block and did it . Took 20 mins .

Easy Peezy guys

Took about 15-20 min tops!

I went into depth about reserve scheduling and pay bands.

You can't b*tch if you don't participate!!!

Best part is at the end it gives you an open forum to bee-atch about a topic they didn't cover. Really 3/4?? Not surprising but certainly disappointing.

I put a piece in for mandatory add pay for acceptance of potential duty day extensions: global or non, regardless of legs per day.

I think an issue that could come up is people continuing when they shouldn't and not doing an honest self assessment just to get the extra pay.

I can see that as a valid concern. It should be equally as valid on the global fleet as on the domestic. I assume there has been some history behind the contract's applicable LOA's, etc. it seems if I think it's safe to extend, then I should be compensated. I'd love an explanation from a good historian.

I go back and forth on this topic. INTL it's a formality to extend. How do you predict fatigue on a 15hr flight where you get 7hrs in the bunk? I can either get 7 good hours of sleep or toss and turn for 7 hours and be exhausted. So giving 5 hrs of pay to INTL pilots encourages them to go max FARs.

However on the domestic side I think it can breed unsafe conditions. You show me a pilot who won't extend for 5 hrs of pay. I don't think that pilot exists.

With that said having special carveouts for certain pilots over the same rules is BS. This is why I go back and forth.

People already have other motivations to continue when they shouldn't...might as well get paid.

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Did mine. I've got a new response to the endless complaining, "Did you take the survey?"

How did the OP surmise a 25% participation rate? I don't doubt it, just wondering where the figure came from.

I think one of the ALPA emails said only 1/4 of the pilot group had done it.

Wow. I got crucified on here a few weeks ago for not reading the entire Contract Comparison Guide (included in the survey) in detail - it would take longer than 10 mins just to skim the Guide.

Yup!

"Btchbtchbtchbtch"
"You fill out the contract survey?"
<blank stare>
"Yeah, shut it"

Done! Interesting comparison guide too.

People that won't spend 1 hr to protect at 300k+ a year job. #GMAFB

When you have pilots that state "It's not our job to make the company competitive", you have to figure they're probably not motivated to do a survey either.

Yup, one did. (I have no idea what the current response % is.)

This.

When is the exchange of openers?

And the amendable date?

I asked my Captain yesterday if he had done the contract survey yet. He said, no, but he had done the FOSS. I asked why he would fill out a safety survey from the company and not a contract survey from the union. He didn't have an answer. He texted me this morning and said he did it last night and it was painless..

Meanwhile in the DAL forum today.....

(source)

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Took my longer to figure out what my ALPA number was then to do the survey :)

Not just directed at you, but for everybody that does not know their ALPA # offhand, find it and install the ALPA app on your phone.

It's worth it simply for the UA MEC Hotel database (pickup locations, discounts, benefits, room restrictions, etc.) as well as the KCM database (hours & locations).

Meanwhile, the website has several VERY useful DIY (did you know?) PDF documents that can be downloaded for often asked contract references.

And that's just scratching the surface. Our volenteers have a massive amount of info available that many pilots are not aware of.

:)

Let's not kid ourselves...
The majority of the pilot(s) group(s) are either disconnected, don't care or are too lazy to do even the minimum.

What is the minimum?
Reading your emails and then doing the surveys or PDR's.

But, at the end of the day- it is what it is.
I fly with too many people who don't even know some of the basic things in our contract. Don't understand our Pay (which isn't easy, but if even I can figure out the basic, everyone should!) and haven't even looked or read the Contract Comparison.

Maybe it's a sign of the times.. but it is telling.

Motch

I was joking... I meant the survey was quick

I've quit answering questions for guys... I just say "read the contract." You can keep the damn thing on your phone.

I have taken many such surveys and voiced my opinion. It has never mattered, senior pilots on the negotiating committee make all the blunders anyway. Trying to fix in in the next contract. And the same folks keep getting elected...

Ya, just read the contract, it is written in such a straight forward language that is so simple to understand and is organize in one logical place where you don't have to dig around and reference a hundred other citations, yep, no lawyers or grievance committees necessary...

Read horridos post, he's dead on. Can't count how many guys don't know the basics. Now reassigned into a delay that takes you into a day off or some weird situation, totally understand.

You may want to check the background of the last negotiating committee. I'll give you a hint....mostly junior narrow body.

Really, Narrow Body FOs. Well I'll be...

Sure didn't look that way at the road shows selling it to us.

All first officers, all narrow body with two taking wide body FO slots toward the end of negotiations.