DH Deviation
 

Is it possible to move a scheduled DH on the front of a trip to the end? Didn’t see anything in the contract, but someone mentioned it.


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I asked the same question 3 years ago. Was told that the negotiator's notes showed:

Deadhead Deviation available in three ways. Travel to:

1) The pilot's base.

2) The pilot's home of record.

3) Anywhere in the contiguous 48 states.

Ability to deviate is good for up to two days before or after the scheduled deadhead. Positive space pass is available for multi-leg deviation, even if one of the legs is the originally scheduled deadhead.

I’ve done it before. I seem to remember doing it over the phone with the scheduler. I was based in EWR at the time and picked up a trip that started with a DH to IAD and ferry back to EWR. I just drove to IAD, ferried to EWR and then used the PS back to IAD.

Yes. The differences are that the crew desk must confirm the PNR, not the PSC, and you are then bound by the commuter policy so you'll need a backup. As with any deviation, you lose your entitlement to an E+ seat and there is no middle-seat pay.

Been told by 2 different schedulers that I can’t move the DH to the end of the trip.


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Did you hear back from the PDR you sent yet ?

No not yet


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Call crew scheduling, tell them you want to deviate, have PNR ready. If they refuse ask to speak to a supervisor. No where in 5-D or the JIT is there any limitation to deviating the first leg of a pairing.

Also, FWIW, when you deviate, they then calculate per diem based on:

If DH was at the end of a trip: they will then use the first flight out to your base, regardless of legality. So, if you get in to IAD at 6 pm and your DH was for noon the next day, but there was a 6:10 pm flight out that same night, they show you on the 6:10 flight.

Same idea for the front of the trip, even if the new flight gets in 10 minutes prior to show

Not that big of a deal, but could cost you $40 non tax money

In this scenario OP can use it up to 2 days prior to the scheduled DH (to your assigned base) on the ID... they won't allow you to move to the end of the trip as that does not have a DH scheduled. However, you might luck out and find a scheduler who is totally clueless... so worth calling.

PDR.....says you can’t move it. I know I’ve done it before, they must be cracking down on it. If you open up a seat on one (not used) end & there is an open seat on the other, not sure why they can’t give you PS?


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Did they cite the contract for reference? Because I can't find anywhere that says you can't.....

Here’s the response....

The UPA permits us to deviate within 48 hours of the scheduled departure date of the DH on our schedule. The intent is not to allow a pilot to move the DH to the other end of the trip, unfortunately. There is language for cross-town trips where a pilot begins a trip at one satellite airport (BWI for example) and is scheduled to finish his flying at another airport (DCA), he can advise the crew desk of which side he would like the transportation….this provision does not apply to regular DHs.


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That language is in there about the timing, I still don't see where they can deny you deviation at the front of the trip.

I deviate on both front and back of trips. I call the crewdesk and ask to deviate, they say okay and it shows fake in your scheduled trip. I always have a flight picked out and set up through employee res already using the dh dev part. Then call Psc and they approve it and go back to res no pick my positive space seat. Takes maybe 5 minutes total and have done it sometimes 2 weeks out. Much better than it used to be. IMO

I'm having this same issue. Picked up a 2 day, deadhead on the front to my home (so I put a fake on it). Want to get positive space home tomorrow instead, and they won't do it. Even though it's within the 48 hours.

Moving a deadhead from one end of a trip to another is a whole different animal than deviating the time and/or location of a scheduled deadhead leg. And while it would be nice for scheduling to make it happen, as they have apparently done in some cases, they are under no obligation to do so.

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Have you tried getting the PNR and then go into empRes to change the itinerary? Just thinking out loud here.

it won't work... if you change the city pairs you need new PNR approved. DH Deviation is good one way on the side of your trip that the DH is listed... can't move it on the tail end or vice versa.