New Hire Classes and Drops
02-14-2019, 02:02 PM
#722
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Joined APC: Sep 2013
Posts: 919
The attachment shows the bottom pilot and the 80% pilot in each seat for 320s, 737s, and 756s across the system for First officers.
At 80% you will usually hold a line in the high flying time months and in the low time months, you will be living on the edge. (but likely reserve)
These are the numbers as they sat after the last vacancy bid that closed in December. What it doesn't show is that the vacancy bid had over 300 unfilled assignments, which are being used to cover the January, February, and early March classes. So, the pilots assigned into those unfilled assignments are moving into their new bases and thus the numbers shown are already "old" for any base that has had a new hire that started since the bid closed.
Of note, those 300 unfilled bids will expire on Mar 14th, so after that date, the only assignments available will be those that are generated on the vacancy bid that was issued today.
At 80% you will usually hold a line in the high flying time months and in the low time months, you will be living on the edge. (but likely reserve)
These are the numbers as they sat after the last vacancy bid that closed in December. What it doesn't show is that the vacancy bid had over 300 unfilled assignments, which are being used to cover the January, February, and early March classes. So, the pilots assigned into those unfilled assignments are moving into their new bases and thus the numbers shown are already "old" for any base that has had a new hire that started since the bid closed.
Of note, those 300 unfilled bids will expire on Mar 14th, so after that date, the only assignments available will be those that are generated on the vacancy bid that was issued today.
02-14-2019, 02:24 PM
#723
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Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 94
Originally Posted by GoCats67
The attachment shows the bottom pilot and the 80% pilot in each seat for 320s, 737s, and 756s across the system for First officers.
At 80% you will usually hold a line in the high flying time months and in the low time months, you will be living on the edge. (but likely reserve)
These are the numbers as they sat after the last vacancy bid that closed in December. What it doesn't show is that the vacancy bid had over 300 unfilled assignments, which are being used to cover the January, February, and early March classes. So, the pilots assigned into those unfilled assignments are moving into their new bases and thus the numbers shown are already "old" for any base that has had a new hire that started since the bid closed.
Of note, those 300 unfilled bids will expire on Mar 14th, so after that date, the only assignments available will be those that are generated on the vacancy bid that was issued today.
At 80% you will usually hold a line in the high flying time months and in the low time months, you will be living on the edge. (but likely reserve)
These are the numbers as they sat after the last vacancy bid that closed in December. What it doesn't show is that the vacancy bid had over 300 unfilled assignments, which are being used to cover the January, February, and early March classes. So, the pilots assigned into those unfilled assignments are moving into their new bases and thus the numbers shown are already "old" for any base that has had a new hire that started since the bid closed.
Of note, those 300 unfilled bids will expire on Mar 14th, so after that date, the only assignments available will be those that are generated on the vacancy bid that was issued today.
02-14-2019, 04:08 PM
#724
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Joined APC: Nov 2016
Position: United B757/B767 Captain
Posts: 37
Originally Posted by skypest
....For the life of me I don't understand why a new hire would desire the 757.
Pest
Pest
Well, in my case it allowed me to see London, Bristol, Manchester, Edinburgh, Glasgow, Shannon, Dublin, Belfast, Brussels, Amsterdam, Cologne, Hamburg, Frankfurt, Berlin, Copenhagen, Oslo, Stockholm, Geneva, Zurich, Rome, Milan, Barcelona, Madrid, Paris, Lisbon, Honolulu, Sao Paulo, Rio de Janeiro, Buenos Aires.....and a ton of domestic flying as well. All while on probation!
My classmates indeed got off reserve sooner, but were enjoying lines to Buffalo, Memphis, Guatemala....and Tulsa.
If seeing the Midwest, eating average crew meals, and working on the domestic side of things is your cup of tea....then go for the 737 or the Bus!
The beauty of our job....something for everyone.
02-14-2019, 05:45 PM
#725
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Joined APC: Jun 2005
Position: 787 FO
Posts: 792
Originally Posted by StewBlu
...Does this mean than someone in the 19 Mar class or after won’t be able to bid EWR 756? I didn’t see any EWR 756 in this latest small vacancy (19-07)?
Just submit your request when you get access.
02-14-2019, 06:13 PM
#726
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Joined APC: Sep 2013
Posts: 919
Originally Posted by StewBlu
Thanks for the good info. Does this mean than someone in the 19 Mar class or after won’t be able to bid EWR 756? I didn’t see any EWR 756 in this latest small vacancy (19-07)?
The current vacancy bid doesn't have any 756 FOs available in EWR, however that doesn't tell the whole story. On this vacancy there are 10 EWR 320 CA, 10 EWR 777 FO, and 10 EWR 787 FO slots available. Also the company has set the minimum staffing number on the 756 at the same value as the current staffing number. That means that any EWR 756 FO that takes any bid on this vacancy must be replaced by another person. So, with the advertised vacancies at EWR further up the food chain, some movement off of the 756 FO seat is likely.
As an example, if every one of those advertised vacancies in EWR for 320 CA, 777 FO, and 787 FO are all taken by current EWR 756 FOs, then that would create 30 openings for EWR 756 FO. Those would all be open to current pilots, but any that weren't taken would go "unfilled" and be available to future new hire classes. This process is true on every vacancy, so you can always see additional spots awarded that weren't listed in the primary vacancy listing.
While this bid isn't as large as the December vacancy bid, on that one we had 416 total positions advertised. When the final award was issued there were a total of 1247 actual awards.(including unfilled slots going to New Hires)
This brought us the phrase - Bid what you want -- Want what you bid -- Careful what you bid for because you just might get it!!!
So, we will not know for sure until the end of the month (after this bid is awarded) if any 756 FOs have gone unfilled, but it is certainly a possibility!
02-16-2019, 10:47 AM
#727
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Joined APC: Sep 2017
Posts: 149
Originally Posted by GoCats67
Not necessarily. It just means that the ones from the last vacancy bid will have expired.
The current vacancy bid doesn't have any 756 FOs available in EWR, however that doesn't tell the whole story. On this vacancy there are 10 EWR 320 CA, 10 EWR 777 FO, and 10 EWR 787 FO slots available. Also the company has set the minimum staffing number on the 756 at the same value as the current staffing number. That means that any EWR 756 FO that takes any bid on this vacancy must be replaced by another person. So, with the advertised vacancies at EWR further up the food chain, some movement off of the 756 FO seat is likely.
As an example, if every one of those advertised vacancies in EWR for 320 CA, 777 FO, and 787 FO are all taken by current EWR 756 FOs, then that would create 30 openings for EWR 756 FO. Those would all be open to current pilots, but any that weren't taken would go "unfilled" and be available to future new hire classes. This process is true on every vacancy, so you can always see additional spots awarded that weren't listed in the primary vacancy listing.
While this bid isn't as large as the December vacancy bid, on that one we had 416 total positions advertised. When the final award was issued there were a total of 1247 actual awards.(including unfilled slots going to New Hires)
This brought us the phrase - Bid what you want -- Want what you bid -- Careful what you bid for because you just might get it!!!
So, we will not know for sure until the end of the month (after this bid is awarded) if any 756 FOs have gone unfilled, but it is certainly a possibility!
The current vacancy bid doesn't have any 756 FOs available in EWR, however that doesn't tell the whole story. On this vacancy there are 10 EWR 320 CA, 10 EWR 777 FO, and 10 EWR 787 FO slots available. Also the company has set the minimum staffing number on the 756 at the same value as the current staffing number. That means that any EWR 756 FO that takes any bid on this vacancy must be replaced by another person. So, with the advertised vacancies at EWR further up the food chain, some movement off of the 756 FO seat is likely.
As an example, if every one of those advertised vacancies in EWR for 320 CA, 777 FO, and 787 FO are all taken by current EWR 756 FOs, then that would create 30 openings for EWR 756 FO. Those would all be open to current pilots, but any that weren't taken would go "unfilled" and be available to future new hire classes. This process is true on every vacancy, so you can always see additional spots awarded that weren't listed in the primary vacancy listing.
While this bid isn't as large as the December vacancy bid, on that one we had 416 total positions advertised. When the final award was issued there were a total of 1247 actual awards.(including unfilled slots going to New Hires)
This brought us the phrase - Bid what you want -- Want what you bid -- Careful what you bid for because you just might get it!!!
So, we will not know for sure until the end of the month (after this bid is awarded) if any 756 FOs have gone unfilled, but it is certainly a possibility!
Well written and informative for a new hire. Thanks!
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03-07-2019, 04:13 AM
#729
I gets to fly
Joined APC: Jun 2015
Position: 737 FO
Posts: 91
Originally Posted by Ohlsan
Anyone have the drop for the 5th
Open spots:
22 EWR 756
6 SFO 756
10 SFO 320
7 SFO 737
Must Fill:
22 - 756
9 - 320
6 - 737
Drop:
737/320 mostly went first
The rest 756.
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