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Hello. I received the e mail for the Hogan test and I am a little nervous as I see people have failed it. Do you have any tips for me before I take it? Thank you in advance.

https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/united/109222-hogan.html

Numerous threads and posts on this topic.

That said....

DO:
DO NOT:
Nearly all the drama involving this test is caused by pilots either "trying too hard" (hard for type A types) or actually being deceptive in answers.

This test is not looking for perfect people, but it has built-in methods to red flag inconsistencies and deception.

Good luck!

Also, very important to take it when well rested. Tired can skew the results a bit.

Thank you. I searched and searched before I posted! Apparently I am challenged in this department 😂

You also only have 7 days from when you received that email to take it. Don't drag your feet.

Congrats on receiving the Hogan!

Just relax don’t over think it and be consistent!

What’s the hogan show up as in your email? Still waiting but I’m always nervous it might just end up in my junk box if it ever comes.

I passed the hogan but I can't tell you why as I know numerous great people who have not. What I can tell you is that in basic indoc they do another personality type test and then you divide up into 4 different personality groups. Its a communication exercise but I was surprised the class was evenly divided between the 4 groups. I guess what I'm saying is that I don't think with the hogan they are looking for a certain type of personality, just be as honest and authentic as possible.

It comes from someone in the UAL hiring department, and the subject line if I recall correctly is United Airlines Job Fit Invitation.

What was said previously is sound advice . In my case I took it abiut 72 hours after receiving it , get the willies out .

Ready slowly and calm . Normally the first answer you have that comes to your mind is YOUR correct answer, meaning honest to your self. Many people overthink it and try to answer with previous questions in your mind . That's where many get screwed. Answer each one and move on. Don't think of previous questions.

Took me 45 mins and just answered to what I thought was logical .
Best of luck

Took mine well rested about a day after the invite. Was a gorgeous winter day, so I went on a hike, ate a good lunch, poured a glass of Pinot Noir and took the test with the windows open for fresh air and some music softly playing in the back ground. Basically conditioned myself with activities that tend to relax me and enhance my mood in a positive way. Answered the first thought that came to mind. The ones I couldn’t answer right away I flagged and came back to them later on. Was able to answer them right away the second time around.

Good luck!

I prefaced every question with "If I were Sully... "

Congrats on getting the Hogan!

Curious, what are your stats? Civ/Mil? Total time, etc., etc.,

Any CP meet and greets or job fair attendance?

Thanks!

I have been at a regional 11 years. I have no military time and under 5000 total time. I have no internals at United. I did WAI a year ago. I am not sure how I received the invite as I have countless internals at Delta (and chase them around) and can’t get an invite.

How were you able to do all that time at a regional and not have 5000 hours? I think my lowest time for a year at the regionals was 700 or so. You must of been doing something right, slacker. 😄

I have worked CDOs most of my time here.

I ended up doing the Hogan Prep with Ready Set Takeoff. I will let you all know if I passed.

Took it last week. Pretty much answer the questions NOT how an A-hole would answer them. Read the question, take 3 seconds, then answer the first thing that comes to mind. It helps to put the words “in general” before the ones you are unsure of. And watch for gotcha language. One question will say “I never do this” followed by the next that says “I always do that.” Be consistent in your answers. You’ll notice connections between certain questions. And finally, at the end they’ll ask if you want to go back and review your answers. I do not recommend this as you may be tempted to change an answer. Take the test, hit submit, and move on. I found out my results the next day.


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There’s a prep for the Hogan? What do they charge for that?

I have heard stories of “good dudes” failing the Hogan but never a “good dude” I know personally. Now there is a complete prick that I used to work with...the stab-you-in-the-back type...failed the Hogan. So happy! All the good dudes I know have had noooo problem. If you fail it...its time to look in the mirror.

Well I know the exact opposite to have happened. Good dudes I know failing, and two people I never would want to fly with again passing. So no, not time to look in the mirror.

I took the Hogan today around 2:30pm and received the interview invite a few hours later. Interview dates are mid May.

Thanks for all of the help!

It was $200 on Ready Set Takeoff. I was nervous after I read about people failing it.

You take a practice Hogan then they go over it with you. They explain what the question really is asking which makes the answer obvious. I found it helpful.

Awesome!

Congrats.

Good luck with the interview. Keep us posted.

Exactly. It’s pretty ridiculous the number of guys, at my last job, who would get the Hogan and then told to get lost. One got to retake it 1.5 years later (and passed), the others are all at Delta and one is FedEx. So they weren’t good enough for United, but obviously more than capable to fly at your competitors? So so stupid, especially since United was a lot of these guys dream job.

What is the unions take on the Hogan? It sounded like they are not a fan of this at all. They aren’t stupid and they have to know that for every applicant United rejects, with the Hogan, practically all end up at your legacy counterparts/competition.

If they want to use the Hogan, so be it, but I feel United is really doing a disservice by not at least interviewing these guys face-to-face. There are tons of great people who would be terrific that they are missing out on.

My sense is the Hogan is a way for HR to thin the applicant field to make their decision easier about who to bring in for an interview. Though I (thankfully) never had to take it, I couldn't agree more that it sounds like BS. If the applicant field thins to the point where qualifications alone will limit the field of applicants, I think the Hogan might get thrown out.

I also failed Hogan, but ended up at Southwest a couple months later, so I never bothered reapplying at United. Had several UAL recommendations including 2 chiefs, but apparently, Hogan knows better. ;)

I guess that's not nearly as bad as the guy whose entire family was UAL, he had something like a dozen recommendations from UAL pilots who flew with him earlier, he also had several chiefs' recommendations who tracked his career and still, he got shot down by Hogan. THAT was horrible...

The impersonal nature of outright rejecting a candidate solely based on an unproctored personality index speaks volumes about the underlying corporate culture and attitude towards its employees. The personal recommendations and experiences the current employees had and share with the interview/selection team regarding an applicant do not matter, yet a computer algorithm is all that matters. Cold...

Gotta say I've become a pretty big fan of SWA and FDX's line-oriented-interview (LOI) portion as opposed to something like Hogan. The interview team actually meets with an applicant. They run him/her through the process and score the applicant. They actually get to see what the person would be like on the line under a professionally stressful situation which is where, according to the interviewers I flew with, you learn far more about the individual than you do by a true/false vague question personality index like Hogan.

But when it's all said and done... it's United's choice to use any screening tool they want, and if you want to work for United, yours is to do what they want and hopefully, you'll make it through.

Everyone remember, what we think are great guys, good pilots, and great employees is not necessarily what the company thinks. I'm in no way defending the practice, and I did not have to take the Hogan, but the company probably values different traits than we do.

The Hogan is a way to whittle down the applicant pool and decide who to bring in for interviews. The time may soon be coming where UAL will not have that luxury.

I imagine some of the traits the company is looking for are, follow management's lead, don't ask questions, just do what we tell you, be happy with the contract you have 'cause we can take it away through bankruptcy, personally help out the company each and every leg by not adding fuel, and/or reducing it!! Independent thinking is probably a no-no too.

It sucks to fail any portion of the hiring process. The Hogan is impersonal but it’s what United HR has chosen. As far as UAL sending qualified applicants to their competitors everyone does that. I failed a DAL interview and ended up at United. It goes both ways. Everyone has a process, it doesn’t make sense to those who don’t make it. Or when their friends don’t make it but you aren’t going to get rid of the process.

I am about to sign up for RST. I am on their website right now. I see it is $399 for the year. Does the Hogan Practice test come with this subscription, or is that a separate $200 add on?

Thanks!

I paid $200 just for the Hogan prep. I found the price steep just for that one step but I passed and received the interview invite within a couple of hours after doing the Hogan. So, I would recommend the Hogan prep if United is where you want to work.

Cool. Thank you!

Not defending the hogan (I took it and passed cuz well, I’m pretty awesome) but doesn’t Delta have a bunch of computer tests? Bottom line is every company has a way to thin the heard. UAL is the hogan. I would argue that they actually send out more invites to take the Hogan since it is a way to weed people out. If dL and UAL are both going to bring 100 people in for an interview, dL will call 100 people. UAL will give 130 people the Hogan (assuming the think 30 people will fail...I have no idea the actual number). Point is you actually have a better chance of being called by UAL all else being equal.

Don't do the Hogan prep. Seriously, you don't need to. Interview prep and app review is worthwhile but Hogan prep isn't. Follow the advice earlier in this thread and you'll be fine. I did no prep and passed. I heard I actually got a smiley face on the test as well, but I can't confirm that... Seriously, just don't overthink it. I know it's easier said than done, but I think I'm not alone in that view.

I got so so so many “wrong” on the Hogan practice test arroding to RST. It’s impossible to know if I would have passed or not though. I’m normal and not crazy- I thought. Lol!

Hogan
 

In retrospect, I wish I had done the Hogan prep. This is a multimillion dollar career that you’re potentially gambling with.

I know I’m a good employee. I don’t call in sick unless I’m indeed sick. At work, I’m a happy person who gets along with just about everyone and I don’t have a problem flying with difficult people who are on many no-fly lists. I’m no Chuck Yeager but I can fly a good plane and learn a new one.

But how do you get this message across in a true/false test when a serious number of answers would be “depends....”?

Not long after “failing” Hogan, I received an invite from Southwest, and if you read the gouge, they’ll tell you not to bother with the prep as it’s unnecessary and may be frowned upon. Well, I wasn’t gonna repeat the mistake of not doing the absolute best to prepare for it, so I did the prep, and it wasn’t to search for canned answers, but to present my answers and myself in the best possible light and see what some of the common mistakes are.

After the interview and in retrospect, could I have done it without the prep? Probably. Do I regret spending the money on the prep? Let me put it this way... I spent $400 to help me get hired into a multimillion dollar job/career and I was successful.

Getting a prep and presenting yourself in the absolute positive best light should be a no-brainer, and that includes getting a prep to pass Hogan.

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After the interview and in retrospect, could I have done it without the prep? Probably. Do I regret spending the money on the prep? Let me put it this way... I spent $400 to help me get hired into a multimillion dollar job/career and I was successful.

Getting a prep and presenting yourself in the absolute positive best light should be a no-brainer, and that includes getting a prep to pass Hogan.[/QUOTE]

For me, back in the day, it was FAPA magazines and prep guide ... I didn't use the phone interview prep. This got me through the interviews and hired at three majors ... The last one for 27 years. Prep services available now are outstanding. Spend the money to get the multi million dollar lotto ticket ... Once you are hired you can go back to being a cheap airline pilot.